trickery 2k4 server

[Munkee]

im willing to get a trickery 2k4 onslaught server for us to muck about on for a month or two (contract just got extended :E) but i'll need some idea of whether people would use it or whether we'd rather just use the existing publics

it would be semi private (pass posted in here) to keep out passing dutch 12 year olds but that might just mean it would lie empty most of the time

thoughts?

[ophiuchus]

sure i'd use it and call on a few old clan mates to use it too.

nice one munkee :D

[qui`]

I can see myself buying this game, so yeah :D Could bring some of my uni pals too who look like they will get it too

[GroovYF]

Aye, I'd play on it, knowing I'd get good games with friendly people

[funkeh]

yessum

[megadaisy]

Yes please! Im sure it wont go empty - look how many people are playing this demo online.

MegaDaisy

[Synbios]

Bloody loads. It's hard to get a spot on Wireplay or Multiplay. :)

[Cpt_Fluffy]

Yes please sir.

[~Rebel~UK~]

Yeah would use it, as its hard to find a good server with spaces :|

[Morba]

i like the idea :>

[Brain_Murders]

If the UT community is going to grow on trickery, how about pay pal and a couple of trickery publics?

[Munkee]

ill go ahead and get one set up

34sp have said theyll do a demo (as in one we can try out for pingage and laggage) early next week. if that works out ill stump up for the first few months and we can see how it goes from there

if everything works out and interest stays high then it would be great to get proper publics sorted but gamers are a fickle (and tight fisted) bunch ;)

[SylverFyre]

I'll catch u sometime in IRC Munkee to discuss this - hopefully with some others too :)

[Morba]

#perfectgamesolutions are offering 20 player ut2004 servers for about £15 a month.

on good 100mb network with peerin to nildram and other places from amsterdam
p4 2.4 with 2gb ram
linux based

[Munkee]

nice1

[qui]

pld :)

[qui`]

Would that mean i would actually have to play with qui on a game sometime?

That would suck ass :P

[Synbios]

Make sure you don't have the same damn name please :P

[GroovYF]

As long as I can TK one of them :E

[Synbios]

You pick and choose, we team up :P

[qui]

Some old byut community vs the rest of you peons games would be quite interesting :)

[ophiuchus]

i'll take you on with that qui >:|

[qui]

roger that :)

[qui]

http://www.trickery.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5832&start=0&postdays=0&postorder= asc&highlight=

[qui`]

Bring it on :D

[oxy]

\o/

MPUK doing demo servers too

[Brent Rivienne]

Hell yes I'd like a trickery server, I must pancake you all... bwahaha!

[Munkee]

why the 12 player limit on 2k4 oxy?

[Munkee]

and why would we need a TS server included?

[Synbios]

Yes, why, considering the game has in-built comms?

(ooh 1337 posts, heh)

[oxy]

i dont know :)

i jus know they do servers didnt ask what comes with it

guessing TS is there for clans :)

[Synbios]

So is the team chat built-into the game ;)

[Morba]

its just the same offer as for ut2003 as ut2003 doesnt have voip support.

[SylverFyre]

To move this forward somewhat...

Munkee has kindly arranged to pay in advance for the first month or 2 of a server for us all to play on. However Im sure most people here know that trickery.net isn't owned by some company who bankrolls things, so for a server to survive it will need donations from the community.

Once the server is up and running and we're happy with it we'll setup a way for people to make small contributions to the costs - there will be no set amount to pay but any spare pounds people can donate means the server will stay alive that much longer.

It's important to note that donating means you do NOT automatically get admin rights, also you do NOT get immunity from being kicked or banned from the server if you act like a lamer.

Server rules will be very similar to those at BYGames, for example:
1) no aimbotting, wallhacks or any exploits used to give you an unfair advantage.
2) no excessive swearing.
3) no racism, sexism, religionism(?) etc
4) no abuse against other players or admins
5) no spamming of chat or on comms
This list isn't complete, we reserve the right to add new rules. In addition an admin will warn before punishment if you break server rules.

At BYGames we were proud to have a top notch admin team and it would be nice to assemble the same people to administer this server. If you were a member of the admin team at BYGames and can volunteer your time then please get in touch with me at john@sylverfyre.co.uk
If you haven't adminned for us before but feel that you would make a good candidate then please feel free to email me too, but be aware that we are VERY selective on admins, and only allow the best to admin for us.

In the meantime, keep playing UT2004 demo and we'll update as soon as we get the trickery.net UT2004 server online and lamer free :)

[Drkwoman]

I'd definately play on it, it'd be nice to have a few good games with familiar faces and friendly people. Onslaught pwns big time :E

[oxy]

cool :)

john gimmeh dat fkin admin pass :E

[SylverFyre]

emails ppl ;)

Ive only recieved Marks so far :)

[Morba]

bleh only coz you threatend to tell ppl about my nail poish fetish!!

oops!

[Drkwoman]

Any furthur news on how this is progressing ? :)

[SylverFyre]

lol mark :p

Munkee is in the process of sorting things out - details will be posted here as soon as we have them :D

[GroovYF]

I expect it to be bursting at the seams when it goes online.
Played my first online game tonight, and it wasn't bad at all. Even had some kind souls waiting for me to jump on board a vehicle :E

[Drkwoman]

Even had some kind souls waiting for me to jump on board a vehicle :E

... and I had a certain someone run me over a few times, land and air rage!! :P

[SylverFyre]

OK - it looks very likely the server will be hosted by digitalservers.co.uk

initially at least it will be a passworded 16 player ONS server

the server pass will be posted here so trickery.net regulars can quickly access a lamer free game

we'll see how this goes for a month with costs/usage and donations and decide what to do from there.
Should the donation level enable it we can look at upping the player count or making it public

more details to follow :)

[Ruddles]

Sounds like a plan. Id be up for it.

[deff]

erm, public servers are only a small amount more expensive than private on digitalservers.

I have extreme misgivings about making it passworded, it will almost always be empty imo.

[Brent Rivienne]

However if you make it unpassworded you will find it impossible to join, the extreme demand for servers means it will always be full. Kind of removing the whole point of a trickery server...

[ProfLiebstrom]

ill play so long as i get to kill groovy alot :D

[Synbios]

Me > Prof tbh.

[Munkee]

the idea was that it would be a reasonably lamer free, reasonably quiet server for the trickery regulars to use, hence the password being posted here and no restrictions on it being given out to mates et al

it will require a certain amount of commitment in that people will have to make the effort to go in the server and wait for others to join or ask in #trickery if anyone wants a game rather than seeing its empty and then just joining a public.

but nothings set in stone, if it doesnt work, we make it public, no harm done. tho tbh id be quite happy pottering around a quiet server practicing hand brake turns for a while :E

[ophiuchus]

hehe nice one munkee.a lamer free server would be great. still rare to find someone willing to jump on me manta with me :(

[SylverFyre]

I volunteer :E

[SylverFyre]

erm, public servers are only a small amount more expensive than private on digitalservers.

I have extreme misgivings about making it passworded, it will almost always be empty imo.

Having considered this last night I agreed until I thought that we (meaning Munkee and donators) very likely will end up paying for a server that we cant get on when we want a game.

Thats why I suggested we see how it goes, if it turns out that no-one bothers sticking around for it to fill with trickery.net ppl and friends (the password wont be secret) then its worth the extra to make it a true public :)

we have a month until the full release so we can trial this and see what happens :)

[qui]

We could always make it so it's public from say 1am to 5pm and then password it or smt.

I'll definitely donate towards the servers as well.

[Brain_Murders]

still rare to find someone willing to jump on me manta with me :(

I ride shotgun on mantas when I have the chance...

I also take passengers if they bring their own sick bags :D

[Reece]

I'll donate £20 or so, but better be quick cos my cash seems to disappear fast with i19 etc I wanna go to :o

[Morba]

i need to find out what i can transfer winnins to from poker*'s

[Brain_Murders]

Munkee - you gonna set up a paypal account for this to make it a little easier for us to contribute?

[Munkee]

ive set up a paypal account for the server,

once we've found a server that we want to keep then ill publish details and those who want to contribute can

[deff]

We could always make it so it's public from say 1am to 5pm and then password it or smt.

I'll definitely donate towards the servers as well.

Sounds a good idea, then if random ppl like it during the day they can come here to get the password and get involved in the community etc.

[Munkee]

now all we need is some knobend to switch it between password and unpassworded at 1am and 5pm every day

i nominate deff :E

[Morba]

surely they have a gui for the box it will be on, could have 2 profiles it automatically switches between.....

failing that im sure there will be a few ppl with webadmin login who can change it near to the times.

[SylverFyre]

/me waits for volunteers from the admin team ;)

is it only Mark that wants to admin or have u all emailed and my forwarder is b0rked??

[Munkee]

id like to be an admin :)

[SylverFyre]

NO WAY!! :lol:

[deff]

lol, well I'd assumed that you'd assumed I wanted to admin, but I can email you if you want John :p

[SylverFyre]

Oh yes please :E

[Munkee]

make him jump through hoops Sylver

he's evil

[deff]

/me spanks Munkee

rent the server already :E

[SylverFyre]

all we need is some knobend to switch it

I guess thatll be me then :naughty:

[qui]

Should be able to create a php script to do it I reckon and just cron job it from the box www.i-rox.com is on or smt.

[Munkee]

sounds good

[Reece]

Hey, if i do donate I want to at least be considered :(

[qui]

I think it'll be a case of if admins are needed they'll be asked.

I would have thought (hoped) that donating money is definitely not the only criteria for getting admin :)

(not suggesting you wouldn't be suitable though Reece)

[SylverFyre]

Hey, if i do donate I want to at least be considered :(

Any and all applicants for admin will be considered, of course.

Priority will be given to ex-BYGames Public UT admins as we know them and know they can be trusted to behave correctly.

Like I mentioned in my previous post should we need further admins then any applicants will be considered, should a donator prove equally as suitable as a non-donator then its likely the position would go to the donator - but thats just logic

donating doesnt automatically get you admin rights, or exempt you from server rules - again thats fair and logical

[phantom]

makes sense, otherwise you could get some rich kid donate a couple of months worth and then run about being an arse if they didnt think they would get banned :o

[Munkee]

:E

[SylverFyre]

exactly :)

"Down with Capitalism!"

oops wrong forum :E

[Munkee]

well here's my take on it :)

if you want to be an admin, then you have to contribute

people who contribute to the server but arent admins should obviously still have more say on how its run tho tbh i cant think in what way :) apart from the obvious one where a contributor can't get on because it's full of non contributors. in that case they should be able to ask an admin to clear space for them.

As far as eligibility for admin goes, id say being an active part of trickery should be more important than being an exby UT admin. We dont want this to appear to be an "old by UTers" stitch up. there are plenty of non UT people showing an interest in 2k4 and thats a good opportunity to get some fresh blood in. i also see no reason for admin rights to be as jealously guarded as they were in by days. if someone screws the server up then its only us who suffer and, since we're paying customers, we actually have some leverage for getting it fixed quickly rather than having to beg. :E

tbh up until yesterday Id been assuming that the most likely result was that it would lie empty and we'd scrap it after a month or two but i got real fright at how quickly the unpassworded DigitalServer trial server filled up so maybe it will be a success. In that case we should be trying to gear it towards the current trickery 2k4 community rather than the old by one.

[SylverFyre]

:)

If I gave the impression that exBYUT admins were the only ones who should mail me about adminning the trickery server(s) then I apologise, that wasnt the intention.

Any1 is free to send me a mail about their interest, and will be equally considered. The bit I rambled about exBY is just that obviously I know these people so it's much easier to decide :)

john@sylverfyre.co.uk <-- if you want to volunteer

I see no reason why we cant have a decent number of admins, we just need to make sure that the ppl given the rights dont abuse them and spoil the game for others

The point of contibutors being entitled to a game on the server is very valid and they should get preference over random johnny who wandered into the server by chance :)

[ophiuchus]

when is the paypal getting set up?

[Munkee]

its set up at the moment and once we've decided who to go with i'll rent the server and post the details

[Munkee]

and i still think only contributors should be considered as admins :)

[SylverFyre]

fair enough :)

[ophiuchus]

its a good idea, whoever pays for the server should get a say. adding maps to the server after release is going to asked and only the people who have paid should have the say.

[Morba]

indeedy

[Stormy]

:D although I just lavished money on Deff for the TR one.

[qui]

I really think that kicking people to make way for donators really isn't the way to go what so ever.

If it does get full enough then it should be a case of passwording the server at certain times for the trickery ut2004 community to play on, the only thing we'll do by removing non donating players is end up with a very small community and a lot of pissed off players.

I also disagree with the only donators should be admins (I am donating myself btw) I think thats a tad unfair to all the good ex byut admins we had. Having admin to these servers isn't a priviledge but to keep the servers empty of twats. If you're good enough to be one of the admin team, it shouldn't matter whether you pay or not.

[qui]

The only thing donators should be allowed to rule about is server rotation etc imho :)

[Munkee]

personally id rather do the password thing as well but whichever we do its unreasonable to expect someone whos paid for the server to be unable to get a game whilst half a dozen dutch 14 yr olds who have never and will never participate in the trickery community pack it out. Im not suggesting a contributor demands an immediate kick in #trcikery.ut but if theyve waited for a game cycle and no spaces have appeared then at the end of the next game the admin should make room for them.

as far as admins having to pay goes, if i was a donator and got less say than, or even kicked by, a non donating admin id be a bit pissed off about it.

we're planning on setting the minimum admin donation level low so that it shouldnt put off any1 who seriously wants to participate but it will give us a reliable monthly income to pay for the servers and should ensure that those who apply to admin are serious about supporting the community