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Old 06-Jun-2008, 19:13   #136
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States that have introduced or have CCW licenses have lower levels of crimes than the more draconian gun control states. CCW is a tacit admission that policing is not enough to deter or protect the citizenry. There is a vast difference in criminal psychology when attempting to commit a crime against an individual or premesis that might have the tools with which to nullify your physical and suprise advantages. The police didnt stop that poor girl getting stabbed to death in a lift, they couldnt have given less of a fuck, but a can of pepper spray her mother gave her to help fend off the stalker might of.

The key with knives is either to a. arm everyone so there is a risk of you getting stabbed yourself if you try and stab someone or b. bring in effective policing.

The thing is a. is what used to be the norm before we have police, and its where people are trending towards today because they feel quite rightly that the police do not sufficiently follow their remit.

Self preservation is pretty much the strongest human drive, and society as a whole is supposed to work towards the mitigation of that drive to allow the functioning of efficient social groups. The breakdown of this area of society is causing people to arm themselves for self protection. The police cant or wont protect you if you live in a poor area (and only give the illusion of protection if you live in an affluent area - time and distance studies clearly show crime rates are only lower in rich areas becase the criminals have to travel to reach them to exploit the relative failings of modern policing across the board, the police are no better and rich areas dont emmit some kind of anti crime field, the lower crime rates are caused only by the absence of the poor and barriers to movement)

People carrying a utility knife in their belt, having one in their car etc. is still a social norm in a great many western nations criminalising knives is ludicrous because they are a useful tool and that is all this legislation is working towards. The situation is past reactive legislative tools, putting someone in prison for a bit longer for carrying a knife does not prove a detterrent because changes in the law have zero impact on the man on the street's mindset (as gun, drug and civil disobedience legislation has proven). Lastly these new measures go nowhere near actually solving the problems that cause knife crime.

People have been running around with knives for decades, its not the knives that are the problem its the people stabbing or wanting to stab each other. Take the knives away and they will bottle each other, take the bottles away and they will club each other, take the clubs away and they will beat each other to death with their fists. The obsurd focus on the knife as the cause of the crime is what we have come to expect from modern government.

Plus criminal records and the inability of people to find work with one (including the lunatic additions to the sex offenders register) are a real problem in modern Britain with the end of well paying industrial labour and the rise of corporatist structures where things like this really really matter. It doesnt help if any job in retail for instance you are automatically blacklisted for having just got out of the slammer. Instead of giving convicts sky and other ludicrous perks they should be able to earn criminal record suspensions in relation to whether or not they have to put it down on applications, or if businesses can search for them. So in effect work hard in jail learn a skill, get a couple of NVQs and you will earn yourself a criminal record that can only be accessed by the police and no one else.
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