OT: Recommendations for wireless networking

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 15:09

Hi, I'm setting up a network for a couple of friends of mine, who live in student accomodation. Their situation is, theres four of them sharing a house, all wanting to have broadband, so I suggested the ethernet setup, the problem is as their rooms are near and far apart from the telephone socket - which is downstairs. Cabled networking isn't really an option, unless they drill a hole through the floor... which is a definite no no. So I need to get them a wireless setup at a reasonable price which is reliable, because they are students like myself and are skint most of the time

At the moment I'm looking into a D-link wireless setup...

DSL-604+ ADSL Wireless Router which is about £116 inc vat and PCI Bus 22M Wireless Adaptor (I'm guessing that has a 22m range?) which are about £42 inc vat

P.S. Sorry for posting here, just that the networking forums seem a bit dead

Lungboy · 21-Nov-2003, 15:34

I cabled our network, and my housemates room is 3 floors above mine and it works fine.

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 15:41

hmm the longest cat5e cables i can find is 15m ... ? can you get a longer cable to attach the phoneline to the router?

DM · 21-Nov-2003, 15:45

Yes the maximum length that cat 5e can go to is about 100m

You should be able to pick up 25m cables quite cheaply.

Wireless although an elegant soloution will be very expensive compared to wired and if you are only using 11mb/s wireless anyone trying to game will notice the difference.

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 15:47

Well 11mb/s is not a problem, as the friends i'm talking about, are female

where can I get 25m cables? I've looked on dabs... longest is 15m by belkin at £16

[n00b]SteveO · 21-Nov-2003, 16:39

Dude, buy a reel of cat5, a set of crimping pliars and make ur own... and then charge your m8`s for custom length cables!

DM · 21-Nov-2003, 17:02

Aria do a 20m cable http://www.aria.co.uk/productsList.a...;Submit=submit or get some cat5 wire and make your own. Measure it all out to see how much you need. Oh and remember you could always put a £20 hub in on upper floor so you can lead all the comps into that and then lead only one wiire down to the adsl router.

Lungboy · 21-Nov-2003, 17:36

www.bobtailed.co.uk is where i got mine from.

DizMatt · 21-Nov-2003, 18:43

DO NOT TOUCH DLINK!!!

I have a dlink 614+
pci 520+
and a PCMCIA 650+

the pcmcia card is well tetchy, the pci is okay
install drivers, then install the hardware
the router is great but not a strong wireless access point.

just invested in a netgear pcmcia card, much nicer and cheaper than DLink
hopefully a wireless access point on the way

when I did have wireless working it kept dropping out, between the pci card upstairs and the router downstairs
terrible connection
not reliable
not worth the money

netgear, I hear, are far better

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 19:10

Ok cheers, any recommendations on a netgear one then? I take it, it being wireless, I don't actually need, a '4 ports' as nothings being plugged into it?

[n00b].eesh. · 21-Nov-2003, 19:18

Wireless networking.............Netgear......

AH, problems.

DizMatt · 21-Nov-2003, 19:24

gwan
do tell then
Keyz had a me101 WAP that worked through his house happily

does anything wireless actually work then!?!?

Lungboy · 21-Nov-2003, 19:33

Floors and walls tend to block wireless signals if you have enough of them between the pc and the router.

DizMatt · 21-Nov-2003, 20:17

my d-link has trouble at 3 ft

Kahuna is the lad you need in here to talk about networks tbh

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 21:22

oki doke, anychance of dragging him onto this thread

MasterYoda · 21-Nov-2003, 21:25

I've got a netgear MR314, and its fine. My connection seems to lock up every now and again but I'm not sure NTL aren't to blame.

Linksys are also pretty good imo (but they are now owned by cisco)

blurr · 21-Nov-2003, 21:26

being owned by cisco... that a good thing or a bad thing? I'm looking into netgear wap at the mo, 801g or whatever it is, for around £72 from dabs, the cards are £52 each tho :/

Hapless · 21-Nov-2003, 21:29

You can buy Cat5 cables? I'd assumed they were free from work like stationary and software.

TheBuZZard · 21-Nov-2003, 21:31

Buy Cat5??!?!?
Next you'll be saying Windows XP isnt freeware!

Wizza · 22-Nov-2003, 01:16

my xp is free ?

blurr · 25-Nov-2003, 15:43

Cheers

At the mo I'm looking into a netgear setup with 802.11g the WAP is about £70 and the cards are quite reasonable at £50 a piece.

just to check this will all work with an NTL Cable connection?

DizMatt · 25-Nov-2003, 15:59

doesn't matter at all with regards to different internet conections
and I might have a PCMCIA card for sale tomorrow if you want to PM me

[n00b].eesh. · 25-Nov-2003, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DizMatt

gwan
do tell then
Keyz had a me101 WAP that worked through his house happily

does anything wireless actually work then!?!?

Well, bro(tinx) got new computer and we tried to set up a wireless connection, with help(as we are n00bs) and even though it was only 20 metres at max away we kept getting cut off, tried many things then bro majorly f**ked computer so we stopped trying and sent the damn thing back.

me bro is going to get some CAT5 soon but cant be arsed at the moment.

Randell · 25-Nov-2003, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DizMatt

gwan
do tell then
Keyz had a me101 WAP that worked through his house happily

does anything wireless actually work then!?!?

my ad-hoc wireless network with 2 Netgear MA 101's works fine, as does my Linksys WET 11 wireless bridge from my X-Box to my PC.

Pod · 25-Nov-2003, 20:54

You're all doing it wrong.
I, personally, used a tense, cat45 dx2000 series piece of taught, indian bound string. White string. Sorry, but thats how its got to be, any less and you'll be in packet loss territory! I self made some USB > string convertors out of paper cups. I hear polystyrine cups work, but at a degraded preformance level!

I've also seen some metal convetors about the net, specifically the 56c-v77 series "Aluminimum soup can", (i heard ministrone works best) and an old, pre-war "corned beef" tin 'can'. This last one is a relic of the old systems where computers were nothing more than typewriters-with-monkeys-attached that did all the copying / pasting / sound work.... but thats another story, anyway if you can find any "tin cans" then you'll be in luck! It has the correct resonence resounding spiral frequency, and, if hooked up to an amplification device well enough (i used an inverted plastic jug with a whole in the bottom) you won't need ANY string at all! a completly wireless network.

http://poddster.myby.co.uk/art/modem.jpg

blurr · 25-Nov-2003, 23:25

link not found,

ok just realised that wap doesn't come with built in modem... so now looking at linksys

CrA_Zee · 28-Nov-2003, 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pod

You're all doing it wrong.
I, personally, used a tense, cat45 dx2000 series piece of taught, indian bound string. White string. Sorry, but thats how its got to be, any less and you'll be in packet loss territory! I self made some USB > string convertors out of paper cups. I hear polystyrine cups work, but at a degraded preformance level!

I've also seen some metal convetors about the net, specifically the 56c-v77 series "Aluminimum soup can", (i heard ministrone works best) and an old, pre-war "corned beef" tin 'can'. This last one is a relic of the old systems where computers were nothing more than typewriters-with-monkeys-attached that did all the copying / pasting / sound work.... but thats another story, anyway if you can find any "tin cans" then you'll be in luck! It has the correct resonence resounding spiral frequency, and, if hooked up to an amplification device well enough (i used an inverted plastic jug with a whole in the bottom) you won't need ANY string at all! a completly wireless network.

http://poddster.myby.co.uk/art/modem.jpg

I especially like the rodent powered Modem, the problem I had with this setup is my Rats kept nibbling away at the string and giving me ping spikes on CS. Any Suggestions?

21-Nov-2003, 15:09	#1
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	OT: Recommendations for wireless networking Hi, I'm setting up a network for a couple of friends of mine, who live in student accomodation. Their situation is, theres four of them sharing a house, all wanting to have broadband, so I suggested the ethernet setup, the problem is as their rooms are near and far apart from the telephone socket - which is downstairs. Cabled networking isn't really an option, unless they drill a hole through the floor... which is a definite no no. So I need to get them a wireless setup at a reasonable price which is reliable, because they are students like myself and are skint most of the time At the moment I'm looking into a D-link wireless setup... DSL-604+ ADSL Wireless Router which is about £116 inc vat and PCI Bus 22M Wireless Adaptor (I'm guessing that has a 22m range?) which are about £42 inc vat P.S. Sorry for posting here, just that the networking forums seem a bit dead __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 15:34	#2
Lungboy Roboplegic Wrongcock Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,338	I cabled our network, and my housemates room is 3 floors above mine and it works fine. __________________ http://www.lungboy.dsl.pipex.com/NPO.jpg

21-Nov-2003, 15:41	#3
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	hmm the longest cat5e cables i can find is 15m ... ? can you get a longer cable to attach the phoneline to the router? __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 15:47	#5
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	Well 11mb/s is not a problem, as the friends i'm talking about, are female where can I get 25m cables? I've looked on dabs... longest is 15m by belkin at £16 __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 17:36	#8
Lungboy Roboplegic Wrongcock Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,338	www.bobtailed.co.uk is where i got mine from. __________________ http://www.lungboy.dsl.pipex.com/NPO.jpg

21-Nov-2003, 15:45	#4
DM will post for food Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,314	Yes the maximum length that cat 5e can go to is about 100m You should be able to pick up 25m cables quite cheaply. Wireless although an elegant soloution will be very expensive compared to wired and if you are only using 11mb/s wireless anyone trying to game will notice the difference.

21-Nov-2003, 16:39	#6
[n00b]SteveO got topic a topic or two Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,840	Dude, buy a reel of cat5, a set of crimping pliars and make ur own... and then charge your m8`s for custom length cables!

21-Nov-2003, 17:02	#7
DM will post for food Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,314	Aria do a 20m cable http://www.aria.co.uk/productsList.a...;Submit=submit or get some cat5 wire and make your own. Measure it all out to see how much you need. Oh and remember you could always put a £20 hub in on upper floor so you can lead all the comps into that and then lead only one wiire down to the adsl router.

21-Nov-2003, 18:43	#9
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Newcastle Posts: 6,956	DO NOT TOUCH DLINK!!! I have a dlink 614+ pci 520+ and a PCMCIA 650+ the pcmcia card is well tetchy, the pci is okay install drivers, then install the hardware the router is great but not a strong wireless access point. just invested in a netgear pcmcia card, much nicer and cheaper than DLink hopefully a wireless access point on the way when I did have wireless working it kept dropping out, between the pci card upstairs and the router downstairs terrible connection not reliable not worth the money netgear, I hear, are far better __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

21-Nov-2003, 19:10	#10
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	Ok cheers, any recommendations on a netgear one then? I take it, it being wireless, I don't actually need, a '4 ports' as nothings being plugged into it? __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 19:18	#11
[n00b].eesh. pfft Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Posts: 6,006	Wireless networking.............Netgear...... AH, problems.

21-Nov-2003, 19:24	#12
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Newcastle Posts: 6,956	gwan do tell then Keyz had a me101 WAP that worked through his house happily does anything wireless actually work then!?!? __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

21-Nov-2003, 19:33	#13
Lungboy Roboplegic Wrongcock Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,338	Floors and walls tend to block wireless signals if you have enough of them between the pc and the router. __________________ http://www.lungboy.dsl.pipex.com/NPO.jpg

21-Nov-2003, 20:17	#14
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Newcastle Posts: 6,956	my d-link has trouble at 3 ft Kahuna is the lad you need in here to talk about networks tbh __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

21-Nov-2003, 21:22	#15
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	oki doke, anychance of dragging him onto this thread __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 21:25	#16
MasterYoda forum hax Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 562	I've got a netgear MR314, and its fine. My connection seems to lock up every now and again but I'm not sure NTL aren't to blame. Linksys are also pretty good imo (but they are now owned by cisco)

21-Nov-2003, 21:26	#17
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	being owned by cisco... that a good thing or a bad thing? I'm looking into netgear wap at the mo, 801g or whatever it is, for around £72 from dabs, the cards are £52 each tho :/ __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

21-Nov-2003, 21:29	#18
Hapless Prince of All Oafs Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sunny Solihull Posts: 4,040	You can buy Cat5 cables? I'd assumed they were free from work like stationary and software. __________________ Championing the cause of Status Anxiety sufferers since 1969.

21-Nov-2003, 21:31	#19
TheBuZZard This custom title is too l Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rotherham Posts: 11,353	Buy Cat5??!?!? Next you'll be saying Windows XP isnt freeware!

22-Nov-2003, 01:16	#20
Wizza totally topical Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: P3X494 Posts: 2,655	my xp is free ? __________________ 'Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished' and those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust Hallowed are the Ori

25-Nov-2003, 15:43	#21
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	Cheers At the mo I'm looking into a netgear setup with 802.11g the WAP is about £70 and the cards are quite reasonable at £50 a piece. just to check this will all work with an NTL Cable connection? __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org

25-Nov-2003, 15:59	#22
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Newcastle Posts: 6,956	doesn't matter at all with regards to different internet conections and I might have a PCMCIA card for sale tomorrow if you want to PM me __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

25-Nov-2003, 20:54	#25
Pod postaholic Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,055	You're all doing it wrong. I, personally, used a tense, cat45 dx2000 series piece of taught, indian bound string. White string. Sorry, but thats how its got to be, any less and you'll be in packet loss territory! I self made some USB > string convertors out of paper cups. I hear polystyrine cups work, but at a degraded preformance level! I've also seen some metal convetors about the net, specifically the 56c-v77 series "Aluminimum soup can", (i heard ministrone works best) and an old, pre-war "corned beef" tin 'can'. This last one is a relic of the old systems where computers were nothing more than typewriters-with-monkeys-attached that did all the copying / pasting / sound work.... but thats another story, anyway if you can find any "tin cans" then you'll be in luck! It has the correct resonence resounding spiral frequency, and, if hooked up to an amplification device well enough (i used an inverted plastic jug with a whole in the bottom) you won't need ANY string at all! a completly wireless network. http://poddster.myby.co.uk/art/modem.jpg

25-Nov-2003, 23:25	#26
blurr fashion victim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 17,704	link not found, ok just realised that wap doesn't come with built in modem... so now looking at linksys __________________ + myembers \| + scoute.org