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Old 30-Aug-2015, 15:06   #121
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Recursive, but if Labour want to ignore the only leader to have implemented a single piece of legislation in 31 years they get what they deserve.
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It still amazes me that people disregard anything Blair - one of the best, if not the best, politicians Labour or any British political party has had - has to say because of the war in Iraq, which of course has little relevance to the points he is currently making.
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Personally not disregarding the points, I just think he's a lying warmonger who helped destabilise half the planet to line his own pockets.
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Yeah but that kneejerk response everytime he speaks does become rather irritating.
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Also maybe Tony should have waded back into the Labour Party with some sage advice a year or so before the GE when it still mattered a fuck.
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All well and good, but nothing to do with Corbyn.
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Yeah but that kneejerk response everytime he speaks does become rather irritating.
What a load of bollocks. If you went to the doctors and it was Harold Shipman giving you your diagnosis, all you would be thinking was "You killed loads of coffin dodgers". His diagnosis would be the last thing on your mind.

When Tony Blair speaks, all anyone thinks is how he ignored the electorate and took us into an illegal war that has completely destabilised an entire region of the planet, killed hundreds of thousands of people and put us and others at risk for the next few decades at least. Any good he may have done (and he WAS a good Prime Minister, I will not try to take that away from him) was completely erased when he took us into war with Iraq. Whether he, or any of his supporters like that is completely irrelevant.
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Can someone please wake me when we get to the bit with the Nazis?

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We dont need to. Blair is a war criminal himself, he doesnt need comparing to others
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What a load of bollocks. If you went to the doctors and it was Harold Shipman giving you your diagnosis, all you would be thinking was "You killed loads of coffin dodgers". His diagnosis would be the last thing on your mind.

When Tony Blair speaks, all anyone thinks is how he ignored the electorate and took us into an illegal war that has completely destabilised an entire region of the planet, killed hundreds of thousands of people and put us and others at risk for the next few decades at least. Any good he may have done (and he WAS a good Prime Minister, I will not try to take that away from him) was completely erased when he took us into war with Iraq. Whether he, or any of his supporters like that is completely irrelevant.
No, that's what you think. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but don't think everyone else has the same.
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Tony Blair may have started an unnecessary and unproductive war in hindsight, but I think laying the nightmare that is the current middle east and north Africa at his feet is a bit harsh. I think that if the Baathists were still in power in Iraq, the headlines would be more "thousands killed in brutal repression in Syria", rather than "thousands killed by ISIS in Syria"
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Which of Iraq, Iraq II, Kosovo, Sierra Leone or Afghanistan are you saying was the unnecessary and unproductive one?
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Iraq II was expensive and counter productive in hindsight, the others I think have some level of justification still
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The thing is whilst sensationalised, those headlines match the stories
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Surprised to see people talking up Chuka, he's already so far to the right he could be a Tory minister and nobody would bat an eyelid.
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What makes you say that? I've not been following it closely. The only candidate with any discernible views so far has been Corbyn.
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it would be a turn up for the books if Chuka as a non-runner managed to win
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What makes you say that? I've not been following it closely. The only candidate with any discernible views so far has been Corbyn.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall all have discernible views. Those views just happen to be identical across the board. Burnham has moved to the left a bit after seeing the popularity of Corbyn, but he and all the others remain firmly in the Blairite camp.
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Aye, I was referring to a few pages back when people were mentioning him.
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Burnham, Cooper and Kendall all have discernible views. Those views just happen to be identical across the board. Burnham has moved to the left a bit after seeing the popularity of Corbyn, but he and all the others remain firmly in the Blairite camp.
Which could be distilled into something not unlike: "bringing Labour closer to the Tory position since that's where conventional wisdom believes the election can only be won."
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The thing is whilst sensationalised, those headlines match the stories
The problem being the British public who read the headlines and decide they've been fully informed.
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