trickery.net  

Go Back   trickery.net > Other > Current Affairs

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-Nov-2015, 12:32   #1
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Investigatory Powers Bill

Assuming the Investigatory Powers Bill gets through several stupid things will become law.

1) Internet companies will be banned from using encryption on customer data that they can't decrypt. So things cloud services or whats app. I assume this'll mean most Internet companies will move offshore. Which would lead to what response? The high court bans iPhones because of iMessage?

2) It's lawful for government agencies to hack into computer systems with a warrant. Granted GCHQ has been at this a while, but undisclosed hacking at best just makes it unsafe for everyone and at worse incurs the wrath of other blackhats, including those sponsored by nation states.

3) Storing everyone web browsing history for a year. Never mind the fact that The Internet != The Web, as far as I can tell the burden for storing all this data will be put on the ISPs. So expect a price hike in your ISP fees to cover those storage requirements and a slower web browsing experience due to transparent web proxies.

Amazingly stupid ideas, but politicians. If you want to mitigate measures 1 & 3 (for whatever reason) I suggest you purchase an offshore VPS and setup a VPN server to run your browsing data through.
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-Nov-2015, 12:36   #2
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
Yeah it's unworkable nonsense.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-Nov-2015, 19:20   #3
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
I have no doubt it'll look like this bill was inspired by Erich Mielke himself, but until tomorrow nobody really knows what's in it. All articles until then are just speculation.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 09:48   #4
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
The drafted will be published at 12:30 today.
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 17:30   #5
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
So yeah it's going to be down to ISP's to manage and retain this massive body of personal information. I'm sure talktalk customers are over the moon at that prospect.

I guess that means May is scrapping the DPA and massive chunks of PCI compliance?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 18:25   #6
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
There's actually quite a lot of this bill that makes some sense, it's far less fantastical than the older DRIPA amendments. The mass collection angle is just a fucking waste of time though regardless of how it's provisioned.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 18:27   #7
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
The full bill is available here:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...owers_Bill.pdf

On the very first page, all four horsemen of the infocalypse are mentioned: nonces, terrorists, drug dealers, and organised criminals.

Also as expected, whilst the filth and security services will be free to trawl our internet histories without a warrant, there's an exemption for MP's. There's an easy way to avoid bulk collection though: become a minister of your own religion (paragraph 51 in the guide to powers and safeguards lists exempted professions).

Paragraph 62b, guide to powers and safeguards seems to imply encryption backdoors will be mandated.
Edit: Perhaps not. I missed this in paragraph 63: " The draft Bill will not impose any additional requirements in relation to encryption over and above the existing obligations in RIPA. "

I've not read the whole thing yet, just the first 34 pages. There's bound to be more unpleasant stuff that will soon be discovered by people who understand legalese.

Last edited by CaptainTrips; 04-Nov-2015 at 18:42.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 18:55   #8
Orange
please find me real friends
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353
Orange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond reputeOrange has a reputation beyond repute
Still, we can rely on Her Majesty's Opposition to put up a fight, err...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Burnham
Labour's shadow home secretary Andy Burnham backed the draft bill, saying it was "neither a snooper's charter nor a plan for mass surveillance".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872
Orange is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 19:07   #9
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
He's not technically wrong by and large - much of it is proper security stuff we kinda need and I'm seeing quite a lot of mature rules around invokation of collection. It's very weaselly though as you might expect. All very well detailing the prereqs for monitoring but then you stick a microclause in elsewhere that blows due process to bits.

Looking forward to some more skilled analysis of it tomorrow.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 19:12   #10
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
Also by christ once they get permission for a snoop that seems to be it for life. Seeing next to fuck all about termination of collection rights.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-Nov-2015, 22:55   #11
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orange View Post
Still, we can rely on Her Majesty's Opposition to put up a fight, err...
Don't you remember Yes Minister?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yes Minister
Opposition aren't really the opposition. They are just called the Opposition. But, in fact, they are the opposition in exile. The Civil Service are the opposition in residence
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-Nov-2015, 11:23   #12
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Another way to spanner this up completely (rather than the overseas VPN route) is to do a DPA SRA to your ISP every month. If enough people do it, it would be an administrative DDoS.
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-Nov-2015, 12:24   #13
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11...snooping_bill/

Ah there we go. We're all terrorists.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 10:12   #14
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Frankie Boyle's article in the Guardian yesterday made me chuckle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankie Boyle
Of course, the government has been reading our social media messages for 15 years. Imagine the celebrations at GCHQ when they see a young couple they used to watch sexting, then wanking on Skype, post their first kid’s school uniform pics on Facebook. In its own way, it must be quite touching.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...t-surveillance
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 11:11   #15
Inertiaman
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39,934
Inertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond reputeInertiaman has a reputation beyond repute
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11..._internet_use/

Good breakdown of the end effects.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmic
what you say doesn't count for shit because you rely on quotes from websites that are obviously biased
Inertiaman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 12:05   #16
Scrobbs
Sunnyvale Supervisor
Scrobbs's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In the pipe, five by five.
Posts: 16,585
Scrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond repute
There's this bit too: "the draft bill effectively makes it a crime to reveal the existence of government hacking. Along the way, the new law would also make it illegal to discuss the existence or nature of warrants with anyone under any circumstances, including in court or with your MP, no matter what’s been happening. The powers are sweeping, absolute, and carefully put beyond public scrutiny, effectively for ever. There’s no limitation of time."

http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy...rch-in-the-uk/
__________________
http://bit.ly/debatethebill
Scrobbs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 12:23   #17
The Big Kahuna
**** off Lester
The Big Kahuna's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 18,607
The Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond repute
Does anyone here actually use the Tor browser on a regular basis? And if so, what for (assuming it's something you're happy to admit to)?
__________________
If a Les Paul falls out of a tree in the forest, and nobody is there to hear it, does it still sound overpriced?
The Big Kahuna is online now  
 Niq-Scott 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 12:38   #18
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Terrorism and child porn obviously.
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 13:17   #19
Scrobbs
Sunnyvale Supervisor
Scrobbs's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In the pipe, five by five.
Posts: 16,585
Scrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond repute
Now and then. If you *do* want to use it, use the Whonix distro. It's 2 VMs, one is the actual browsing OS, the other is a gateway one. It's the only proper way to use Tor. There are a few other provisos to bear in mind to up the security of it's anonymising prowess too.

https://www.whonix.org/
__________________
http://bit.ly/debatethebill
Scrobbs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 16:06   #20
Lungboy
Roboplegic Wrongcock
Lungboy's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 15,801
Lungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond reputeLungboy has a reputation beyond repute
I thought Tor had effectively been abandoned?
__________________
Please use my link for ordering Giffgaff simcards!
Lungboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 16:52   #21
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
The latest stable version of Tor, 0.2.6.10 was released on 12th July 2015.

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02610-released
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 17:39   #22
burundi
WARNING: May contain nuts
burundi's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Prestonia
Posts: 11,531
burundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond reputeburundi has a reputation beyond repute
I've setup OpenDNS as the default DNS for the home network so to get to anywhere moderately grown up I need to use the Tor browser to get out, half the links on here are blocked using a normal browser at home.

And porn, obviously.
__________________
I arose gigantic and black, I howled at the night and the night howled back.
burundi is offline  
 Geldrey 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 18:11   #23
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
If it wasn't for government-mandated site blocking I'd have no need to use the tor browser. As it stands though, I use it to visit blocked torrent websites and for keeping bitcoin transactions anonymous. The reason bitcoin is said to be pseudo-anonymous is that everyone on the network can see the IP address a transaction originates from. Running bitcoin core over the tor network conveniently solves that problem.

I'm aware of the scare paper about tor and bitcoin, have read it, and I don't feel that there's anything tor-specific in there. For example, a MITM attack can prevent your transaction from being sent. That can happen without tor, so it's bullshit.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 19:05   #24
The Big Kahuna
**** off Lester
The Big Kahuna's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 18,607
The Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond reputeThe Big Kahuna has a reputation beyond repute
So do I really need to use the dual VM solution in Scrobbs' link, or is the 0.2.6.10 browser sufficient?
__________________
If a Les Paul falls out of a tree in the forest, and nobody is there to hear it, does it still sound overpriced?
The Big Kahuna is online now  
 Niq-Scott 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 19:28   #25
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
Just using the tor browser bundle is sufficient. Whonix is a bit much just to keep your browsing history private. Its main purpose is to prevent other software leaking information onto the unencrypted public internet, and for preventing you from being completely pwned if your browser or other software is remotely exploited.

The latest tor browser bundle is at version 5.0.4, get it from here:-
https://www.torproject.org/

I should add that tor gives you no protection when using bittorrent due to the bittorrent protocol itself leaking your IP address, it just lets you view sites that have been blocked.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 21:09   #26
Scrobbs
Sunnyvale Supervisor
Scrobbs's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In the pipe, five by five.
Posts: 16,585
Scrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond repute
The tor browser bundle isn't enough to keep your browsing private. If that's what you want, use the whonix distro. Tor on windows is really not recommended. Again, depends how far you want to go.
__________________
http://bit.ly/debatethebill

Last edited by Scrobbs; 11-Nov-2015 at 21:22.
Scrobbs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 21:30   #27
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
How so? Hostname lookups are sent over tor and resolved by the tor network, and so is all your HTTP traffic until it leaves an exit node. It also has noscript and disables all browser plugins. It's true it doesn't prevent something else leaking information or save you from your own stupidity, but I don't see how it doesn't keep your browsing private.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-Nov-2015, 23:37   #28
Scrobbs
Sunnyvale Supervisor
Scrobbs's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In the pipe, five by five.
Posts: 16,585
Scrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond reputeScrobbs has a reputation beyond repute
Well for a start, you shouldn't visit HTTP sites. It's also too easy to open files that you've just downloaded on your system if you're merely using the browser, which will give away your IP address. There are vulnerabilities in the browser bundle which will de-anonymise you.

Perhaps I'm going a bit far, but you have to be very careful when just using the browser. If you take the trouble to grab whonix and a few extra minutes to set it up, you don't need to worry about that stuff as much..
__________________
http://bit.ly/debatethebill
Scrobbs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12-Nov-2015, 00:15   #29
CaptainTrips
topicophiliac
CaptainTrips's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wormwood Scrubs
Posts: 2,139
CaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond reputeCaptainTrips has a reputation beyond repute
Know your enemy. I don't think Whonix is going too far at all, and that it's situational.

For my threat model I don't think I'm getting shipped off to Guantanamo Bay for downloading a few .torrent files which are going to expose me once I open them with a bittorrent client anyway. It's just a convenient anti-censorship tool for me, and I like that at least part of my internet usage will remain private.
CaptainTrips is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12-Nov-2015, 00:46   #30
EvilGrin
my other forum is full
EvilGrin's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lancs, UK.
Posts: 8,194
EvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond reputeEvilGrin has a reputation beyond repute
Is that a reaper drone over your house CaptainTrips?
__________________
Edugeek - Techies in Education!
EvilGrin is offline  
Send a message via ICQ to EvilGrin Send a message via AIM to EvilGrin Send a message via MSN to EvilGrin Send a message via Yahoo to EvilGrin  EvilGrinUK 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   trickery.net > Other > Current Affairs

Tags
8 terabytes of hard filth, blame devs, goosecunt0r, it wasn't me, john shaw takes the piss

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham WoRsTy Discussion 15 16-Feb-2014 01:19
David Cameron, ECoHR, Bill of Rights etc. Scrobbs Current Affairs 10 27-Jun-2006 13:48
Bill Gates dies and goes to hell mick3ymous3 Jokes & Humour 4 23-Mar-2005 23:32
Kill Bill Vol. 1 Boxset, Kill Bill Vol. 2 Boxset - Limited Editions! blurr Lifestyle 7 13-Jan-2005 11:54
Arise Sir Bill NWA News 4 27-Jan-2004 18:12

Users Viewing Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2003 - 2013, trickery.net