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Old 20-Jun-2018, 12:22   #1
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Free The Weed?



Baron Hague got the ball rolling again which is fairly incredible and would have been suicide even a few years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44526156 / http://mixmag.net/read/william-hague...ug-policy-news


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Let's put the small t into THC!
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Personally, and historical enjoyment completely aside - I'm done spending police time servicing the myth of controlling it.

Medical use should be encouraged, let's have some Musk style rapid fleet learning and see if we can move away from opiates.

Personal use - I mean who gives a damn as long as it follows the same social limitations as cigarettes.

Commercials - licence as you do anything else you put in your mouth. Add some jobs to the economy, compete in a market that will almost definitely end up spanning the west, and create some secondary HSE/QA jobs to boot.
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I'd open a dispensary.
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I'd open a dispensary.
I agree with yourself and Nersh, at least with a dispensary and regulations, there's quality control. People can only get it off dealers, unless you grow your own, and you don't know what it's getting sprayed or mixed with. Plus, places that have legalized it are making billions in tax. Could be used to raise money for the NHS.
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The government position is especially hypocritical as the country is the biggest supplier of weed worldwide.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8243921.html

Even more amusingly, some of the farms are owned and operated by British Sugar under contract for GW Pharmaceuticals. The managing director for British Sugar is Paul Kenward. This is slightly awkward when he is married to Victoria Atkins MP, who is the Drugs Minister.

https://www.clear-uk.org/paul-kenwar...nnabis-living/
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Positions For? I'm sure it has medicinal benefits.

Positions Against? If you're not taking it for medicinal purposes then why are you taking it?

Personal Experiences? Smoking cannabis in your garden, you do realise not everyone wants to smoke/smell your fumes? It stinks like cat piss to me.


And before anyone goes off on the alcohol is legal, it causes more cost to the NHS than weed/cannabis argument. I don't drink alcohol either. Tried it, got pissed and then thought whats the effing point?
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Having bought, sold, used, grown it and having lived in Holland for 3 years where it's all but legal I'm 100% of the opinion that it should be legal.

I've had loads of experience of various mentally ill people who used it in one way or another and none in my experience had issues caused by it, more they were drawn to it as a way to chill out/block out the thoughts. I'm not saying some people aren't screwed up by it, just none in my experience (I hung out with almost 100% stoners for around 20 years of my life) and sometimes I wonder if it's a scapegoat. I know the parents of the people I experienced with mental illness preferred the idea of a devil drug causing their kid problems rather than their bad genes and selfish parenting mistakes.

High CBD strains are fine for almost anyone, high THC strains only for the headstrong.

+ as I suffer from ulcerative colitis I'd be in the queue for the medical stuff... Bring it the fuck on !!!
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+ as I suffer from ulcerative colitis I'd be in the queue for the medical stuff... Bring it the fuck on !!!
Supposed to be really good for colitis and Crohn's.
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Its a fair laugh, though not something I'd go out of my way for (alcohol is far stronger & better imo)

I'd probably prevent anything other than oral / vape though

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Mental health, increased smoking, general increase in lethargic NEETs basically all things that are liable to cost as much as any tax rake.

As medicine its purely an efficacy debate.


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I'd probably prevent anything other than oral / vape though

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How else were you planning on taking it???
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I was phrasing "don't allow smoking" badly, but I suspect that way does actually work too
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Still not sure how we've gone from the government discussing potentially allowing medicinal use to legalising the drug entirely. Needless to say not something I'd be in support of.
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Maybe we should have a referendum on it?
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Sure. Most of the stoners will sleep through it
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Supposed to be really good for colitis and Crohn's.
My UC essentially started the moment I stopped smoking joints daily. So either it causes UC or I was self medicating by accident. You can already get CBD oil legally but it doesn't seem to work for me. Neither does an E-cig (nicotine is suggested to help symptoms too) There's either something in the THC/CBD balance or a mix of cannabis and tobacco, there are studies being held in a number of universities.. It's hard to get much other than anecdotal information.

The standard medicine from the doctor just about keeps the symptoms at bay and has it's own side effects. Plus it costs the NHS an arm and a leg, which seems a shame if I really could grow something better in my own garden or in a nice closet grow.
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How else were you planning on taking it???
I know someone who has cancer, and she is an elderly woman and the last person in the world who I thought would touch weed. She got hold of some in the form of a suppository.
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Is that legalisation by the back door?
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Medical use: A big fucking yes! My friend's wife has had her wrists and spine fused, and had a replacement lower mandible 3D printed because of arthritis, and all before she was 50. She was on the strongest possible painkillers, which had an effect on her life expectancy. Cannabis works better than they did.

Recreational use: Still on the fence. It never really did much for me, I always found myself analyzing the effect it was having on me, rather than going with the flow. A girl I was engaged to many years ago had a short term memory of about 10 minutes because of overuse at a young age, and I know a few people that had mental health problems that have been exacerbated through smoking weed.

I suspect I'll always tend toward NO, when it comes to recreational use.
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for me , medical is a no brained yes.
personal use , regulated and controlled , absolute yes - definitely not as bad as alcohol.
Against , I and many others have mental health issues on it , but I would still legalise it and generate NHS funding as others have mentioned.


The non existant aggression on cannabis is forgetting the pizza delivery number , I bet dominoes is praying for legalisation.
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Medical, yes.
Recreational, no.
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To my mind allowing medical and not recreational it's likely we'll just see people selling their weed prescriptions on. Much like we do with opioids at the moment.

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To my mind allowing medical and not recreational it's likely we'll just see people selling their weed prescriptions on. Much like we do with opioids at the moment.
And people buy beer and cigarettes for underage people. You can't use that reasoning IMO.
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What I'd like to find out is, if the government are having this review on mmj, what conditions are they going to legalize the use for. All the publicity has come about from kids with epilepsy, but they can't just limit it to that.
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I have to admit I'm struggling sometimes to see the difference between the reported benefits of marijuana and the stuff that pops onto my Pinterest feed telling me ONE CUP OF THIS WILL CURE EVERY DISEASE EVER AND MELT AWAY ALL BODY FAT.

I'm guessing it's a lot simpler (relatively speaking) for most drugs in as much as there's a statement "substance w will have effect x on condition y" which is either supported by peer-reviewed evidence or it isn't and it will achieve this without too much of side-effect z. If that's the case then it gets a license.

If somebody asserts that it alleviates fives conditions, presumably it has to get tested five times and this takes years. Add in the fact that it's an illegal substance to start with and is associated with psychosis.

I realise that there are already drugs that act on multiple conditions but I bet a lot of them came to market before the rules were so strict.
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I have to admit I'm struggling sometimes to see the difference between the reported benefits of marijuana and the stuff that pops onto my Pinterest feed telling me ONE CUP OF THIS WILL CURE EVERY DISEASE EVER AND MELT AWAY ALL BODY FAT.
You clearly haven't looked, there are plenty of proper studies on the go or already completed. To be fair though there are a lot of claims that I find hard to believe for other illnesses.

e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5193087/
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From the paper.

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Large, randomized, double-blind, placebo- and standard-of-careócontrolled trials using standardized, oral preparations of cannabis with long-term follow-up and safety profiles are justified prior to acceptance of medical cannabis as a therapeutic drug.
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It's already allowed to be prescribed for MS, were the long term studies not done for that?
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Iíve no knowledge of the specifics, but if itís being prescribed in the U.K. then Iím sure there were satisfactory clinical trials for that use.
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