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Old 13-Feb-2014, 11:48   #20941
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When you're done dictating costs to your "internet team" be sure to get on the phone and tell Rackspace what you think they should be charging for hosting. Us technical professionals love being told what people who don't have our experience or abilities think we should cost.
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Sorry I meant £7k excl VAT. I have no doubt that you have a lot of skill to design a website, but a lot of the time im sure you can grab a template and jig a few things around. I dont understand why it costs so much.

There is a company called Bigcommerce that costs approx £50pm and has templates all set up, with full functionality. Even if I was to run a website with them for the next 10 years without change, it would be cheaper that way! Thats how I cant see how the £8.5k can be justified.
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For 7k your probably getting someone to personally design your website over a period of 10-15 days.

If you don't think you can justify that level of service because there is a cheaper alternative that is fine, but don't devalue their service until you understand the difference.
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a lot of the time im sure you can grab a template and jig a few things around. I dont understand why it costs so much.
So on that basis, why aren't you producing your own website?
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Devs you've got integration with a stock management system etc as well from what I remember. £10k would be reasonable.
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Just fell off my chair when my internet team said it would cost £7000 to redesign a website for me with a host on rackspace and features. This is from a discounted price of £11,260! WHAT THE FUCK. how can they charge that much. Think there is a monthly charge too.

FUCK! I wasnt expecting anywhere near past 5k.
Just dip into the Ferrari fund, surely you must be almost there by now?
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Devs you've got integration with a stock management system etc as well from what I remember. £10k would be reasonable.
if i outsource the work I can get it to link for about a grand but with possible limitations, but they not sure if it will or not.
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So pay for it and get a proper solution or take the risk of paying for a cheaper solution that might not work followed by paying for it later. Up to you.
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Standard scenario of client not wanting to pay a reasonable fee for a project:

- Client goes with someone in India (or whatever) who will do it for half the price he was quoted by a local freelancer/agency.
- On completion of the project it doesn't really work very well, the code is unmaintainable and the freelancer is impossible to get a hold of once the final payment has been made.
- Client goes back to the person that gave him the initial quote and asks him if he'll do it for half the price they initially quoted because that's all the money they've got left.
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You missed step 4

-original local freelancer agency adds twat tax to the original estimate
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apart from this indian bloke is BigCommerce who are one of the biggest ecommerce builders. The problem is the people im using cant provide me with everything, but nor can BC. BC offer perfect features, but not full integration with live stock "possibly".
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apart from this indian bloke is BigCommerce who are one of the biggest ecommerce builders.
lol they definitely won't outsource all their dev work to india and not give a shit about you post sale then. Crack on boss!
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apart from this indian bloke is BigCommerce who are one of the biggest ecommerce builders. The problem is the people im using cant provide me with everything, but nor can BC. BC offer perfect features, but not full integration with live stock "possibly".
Standard Devs posting... ask for advice, argue with advice, then totally reject advice.

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To be honest, noone who gives him advice actually gives a fuck what he does with his money anyway so we're just as bad.

I actually hope he goes with the one that costs the most eventually and makes him look a total arse. I'm a horrid person.
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To be honest, noone who gives him advice actually gives a fuck what he does with his money anyway so we're just as bad.

I actually hope he goes with the one that costs the most eventually and makes him look a total arse. I'm a horrid person.
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And besides I've got a better offer from WeDefinatelyCureAllYourProblemsForVeryLowPrices.co ck who are massive in the decunting game. Why pay more?
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i wonder how many people actually know BC. American based company, but carry on. I never asked for advice on this either. just stating how i couldnt imagine it to cost that much. i havent decided which to go for, but reluctantly it seems the more expensive less featured company which i already use.

Someones missed a right gap in the market here! an ePos system with a good web designer. Not many in the UK.
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Yeah I've only been managing fulfilment and eCommerce suites for about 20 years, not least of all for the family business that was advertising and shipping stock using pencil and paper since before I was born. And Brocken knows literally fuck all about websites having never made loads of them himself. Carry the fuck on.

BC are US based? No shit. They definitely don't offshore work then.

As for your exciting gap in the "making electronics/designing websites" market. Yeah that's a golden goose. You should start one.
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Contractor prices are averagely 500 quid a day so that's 7k which is 14 days of pay.
Which will give you a website and all the snagging that will happen once you get it
plus local technical support when you have problems. That doesn't seem a crazy price

I used to work with India to outsource our mechanical design and the only way outsourcing works well is if you know EXACTLY what you want them to produce.
By that I mean if you were a web designer and didn't have the time to do it yourself I would say go with an Indian company. If you let them try and run with it themselves to give you what you think you want. it will be a disaster.
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Yeah I've only been managing fulfilment and eCommerce suites for about 20 years, not least of all for the family business that was advertising and shipping stock using pencil and paper since before I was born. And Brocken knows literally fuck all about websites having never made loads of them himself. Carry the fuck on.

BC are US based? No shit. They definitely don't offshore work then.

As for your exciting gap in the "making electronics/designing websites" market. Yeah that's a golden goose. You should start one.
I could think of around 200 stores in my industry that are looking for an epos system with live stock data and a good website. There aren't many systems out there that can do what we need.

i didnt say you know fuck all about making sites, but to assume that a company just outsources to india and wont help especially by the fact I would pay monthly and if they did not help, i could just pack up and leave!

I understand the fact the guy could leave and the next guy that steps in could find it hard/impossible to pick up from the code, just evaluating my options. Just a fucking expensive option.
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The problem you have looking for that confluence of businesses would be them coming up with a proposition where they have a reasonably off the peg epos system that everyone wants, and a reasonably off the peg storefront tool that everyone wants. Notwithstanding the completely seperate skills required to achieve each end of that, the chances of them making a system that doesn't require expensive customisation at one end or the other is nil.
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the epos side of it, and the functionality of what features are required are very similar between websites. These features are funnily enough dictated by our manufacturers as to what we need our websites to do.

Once one requires a new feature, then the work could be done, and most retailers would pay for that feature covering the costs for the work and consumers paying less for it.
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most retailers would pay for that feature covering the costs for the work and consumers paying less for it.
Yeah I see how willing you were to front load that kind of investment.
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I have just had this discussion with someone else. You're paying for their level of expertise and experience, balanced with your requirements and timetable. There isn't a standard or average price for a project.

Don't know you're requirements are, but for a bespoke ecommerce solution £11,000 sounds quite cheap.
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I've honestly no idea what any of you are talking about. Devs is actually right for once. How can you justify that sort of money for an installation of Wordpress and a few plugins. After all, that's all a bespoke ecommerce site with epos integration and live stock data is.

You should definitely outsource to India with as broad a specification as possible. This guarantees that they are able to use all their skillsets and imagination to ensure you get the best solution for your needs.
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