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Old 03-Mar-2014, 16:24   #31
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Or walk in with sticks and beat everyone half to death.
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Reports of a ultimatum that troops loyal to Kiev in the surrounded bases must surrender all arms by 5am local time tuesday or face all out assault.
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Well that's that fucked then.
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Aye, it completely blows away any pretence of being there to protect the "russian" citizens.
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The Polish and the Lithuanian's are worried. If they roll over Polish/Lith soil then welcome to WW3 as its a direct invasion of the EU.

Game plan: Send the Indians to deal with the Chinese, Japan can have the Russian Navy and the rest of the west will invade from all angles. Millions killed. But we get our own Gas supply as it will be sold off as Sainsburys land and Asda Land.
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Doubt it would go that far, but if it does I bet 10 bottle caps the Chinese invade Russia
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I can't see it going past Ukraine as you said tbh. Chances are the Russians will fucking starve to death since their economy just fell the fuck over. And yeah the Chinese will steal all the Russias if it goes bell up. It's comforting to know that the force we are a part of is not a force to be reckoned with. I didn't fully appreciate how big NATO forces were until someone showed me on a pretty info-graphic.
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Let's be clear; Putin is a dirty twisted shite of a man, he proved that in Chechyna. His soul is blunted by all the years he spent in the KGB. He is no better than the bampots that used to infest the Kremlin, and he is quite happy with old-style Soviet strategy.

Awful though it sounds, there is, actually, an argument for NATO hitting them now before they build up any more. And no; I'm not getting all "Tom Clancy" here.
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America would dick Russia on their own. Russia has massive numbers yes but their equipment is inferior in pretty much every way.

A NATO force including America, Britain, France, Germany (and that's just to start with) would turn Russia to dust. The problem is no one wants to, no country wants to start a war that will lead to another huge global conflict. They don't have the money or the backing to do so.

Therefore Putin will carry on as without fear of reprisals.
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Isn't most of there army a creaky leaky mess with more rust the raps mum after a weeks worth of doggy style
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Most of them are conscripts to and don;t really want to fight.
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I expect flak for this but Putin is acting the only way he can given the circumstances. I've been following the Maidan protests for a while now and it doesnt take long to see who has been supporting the far right nationalists with more than just info. Anyone remember that leaked phonecall from one of the US diplomats: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26072281

The US supported the protests and I would go as far as to say they had men on the ground helping with the coordination. The new interim president Oleksandr Turchynov is pro EU\US and is about as corrupt as Viktor Yanukovych http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1531_a.html . In recent years Ukraine has been in trouble with debt and corruption from its pro Russian president and trouble was always going to erupt and the US are taking full advantage. They didnt orchestrate this uprising but they sure as hell helped it along, I mean they would do anything to get one over on their old enemy the Bear, especially after the Syria affair (Which Assad is going to win but thats another story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat...r_detailed_map )

Putin has a gun to his head and he is not going to let a pro EU\US Ukraine undermine his military bases in the Crimea, cut off his black sea fleet at Kerch and vital pipelines travelling to Europe. Imagine if he didnt bolster his forces in the Crimea and let Ukraine cede from Russian influence, he would have an unfriendly neighbour sponsored by his rivals in the geopolitical stage. Now it sounds like I'm his comrade but I'm not, I'm just saying it as I see it.

Oleksandr Turchynov is now saying that Ukraine will not split under any circumstances and Putin will not pull his troops out as there is by far too much international prestige and security at stake. Its going to be interesting to see which way this swings but regardless of the outcome, Ukraine loses.
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The Ukranian army is under resourced, poorly trained and out manned and out gunned by the Russians. They might last a day or two but it'll be over in a week. The BBC posted an op-ed that helpfully clarifies this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26421703

If Russia just annexes the Crimea and stops at the border I think it can get away with it. As I've said, I think they are just after the port.

On a legal basis, Russia is in breach of a bunch of treaties at this point. The Whitehouse pointed this out on Saturday:

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There's plenty of grounds for getting involved at any level should any signatory state wish to do so.
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The key worry for me is that at least post stalin the ussr was a single party system like the chinese. Putin appears to be an outright popular dictator. Im still trying to work out why hes invaded the crimea when he already had everything he needed there (100 year lease etc, 14000 troops)

It really looks like petulance after he overreached in kiev
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What's more worrying than all of this is if it kicks off we are on the Germans side, and they ain't got a good track record in WW's
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The germans won both wars, the house of sax-coburg did pretty well...

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Awful though it sounds, there is, actually, an argument for NATO hitting them now before they build up any more. And no; I'm not getting all "Tom Clancy" here.
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America would dick Russia on their own. Russia has massive numbers yes but their equipment is inferior in pretty much every way.

A NATO force including America, Britain, France, Germany (and that's just to start with) would turn Russia to dust.
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Mm. At what point in the last 2 centuries has Russia ever been ground into dust?
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Around about the same time Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq resulted in comprehensive victories for USA! USA! USA!
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Still, NATO gave 80k Serbs a kicking, so there's that.
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Yes and well after they'd raped and massacred their way across all their slightly browner neighbours. Go team.
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Odds on Pussy Riot turning up in Sevastopol and flashing their tits?
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Yeah thats close to my take on it - putin has overplayed his hand and its going to bite him but theres no obvious backtrack
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