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Old 16-Jun-2014, 16:18   #31
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There is, literally, no choice for the west now, we have to deploy our most lethal weapons against ISIS, and soon.
















































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Why? It's got nothing to do with us now, we told Iraq when we'd pull out (that's what she said), their security is their affair now.

Yes, no matter how much Blair might want to play pass the buck, him and Bush are to blame, if not the fucking jackanory intelligence that convinced them to invade, even though Bush did it to avenge his daddy's embarrassment and not for any bullshit WMD story..but we did tell Iraq we would withdraw (she said that too) and they would be left to govern themselves.

We really have no obligation to do anything now and I don't think we should. The sunni and shia have been fighting each other for centuries, they will continue to fight each other, no matter what we do. With the following stat, it's always going to be a fervant fight and democratic elections would be impossible because of the ratio :

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The demographic breakdown between the two denominations is difficult to assess and varies by source, but a good approximation is that approximately 87-89% of the world's Muslims are Sunni[1] and approximately 11-12% are Shia

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Lad fae Livi fails to note facetiousness of post!

I could go on.
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Jones thought bubble...

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Sunni and Shi'ite are people? I thought it was the weather forecast?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27882932

Too funny. I'm sure Iran won't be capitalising on this at all.
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The local headbangers will be building the rockpiles and making the Cameron effigies as we speak.
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ISIS have advanced on Kirkuk, which is some 30 miles north of Baghdad. There's also a ex-US military air base there and some oil fields. Plus the main highway into Baghdad runs through there. So it's an important strategic location to capture.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...s-options.html
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27905849

At this rate, the US are going to have to bomb Baghdad again (again).
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Combat footage from the BBC of all places.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27897696
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Viewpoint from the Kurd side by Sky News.

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The Kurds are rather handy btw, and well equipped, having bought wholesale into the whole US/UK invasion thing back then.
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Yes because they believed we were invading to pay back Saddam for gassing their mates, which was bullshit of course, that was just the story that was invented after no WMDs were found. It's was "Bullshit B"
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Oh no, the Kurd village gassing was "bullshit A", the supreme glazing on the fucked-up cream cake. They had video of it, after all..
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Kurds are the real winners of this conflict at the moment. They've been fighting for independence for years. So they are all hardened fighters will lots to play for. The Iraq Government is trading support from the Kurds for territory.
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In so far as anyone in Iraq can be described as a winner.
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This is interesting: http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-...qaeda-i-s-i-s/
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Despite being bombed by the Syria Air Force in Northern Iraq:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...b-iraq-isis-us

Yesterday ISIS advanced and captured the Ajeel oil fields and are very close to taking the "Camp Anaconda" air base near Yathrib.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5528878.html

ISIS also advanced on the Haditha Dam which supplies Baghdad with a large proportion of it's water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/wo...isis-iraq.html
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Article on Blackwater security in Iraq and its failings that the government was warned about.

Are private security firms in battle zones something new in the last 10 years? Or is it only since Iraq that they have hit the media?
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http://www.salon.com/2007/10/02/blackwater_bush/

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Obviously the market for mercenaries has been around for millennia but the interplay between the media and the need to win and maintain public support at home is much more recent. Arguably PMCs help address a need for governments - and their defence ministries - to do certain things in a more flexible and palatable way.
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do certain things in a less accountable way.
Also this since illegal police actions became wars.
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Blackwater was renamed "Xe Services" in a stupid attempt to avoid further complaints and attention. It failed, partially because every sensible operator on the circuit could spot faces and and name names, so Xe's ability to operate was somewhat compromised by their reputation as being a bunch of ignorant macho cunts.

They are currently called "Academi", which sounds like a fucking modelling agency.
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They really are not. They're just not obligated to ask any questions before having at it. Distasteful that may be, understandable it certainly is. From the perspective of the persons they're watching over I'd imagine it's eminently desirable.
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They really are not. They're just not obligated to ask any questions before having at it. Distasteful that may be, understandable it certainly is. From the perspective of the persons they're watching over I'd imagine it's eminently desirable.

I know what they are, and what they're capable of well enough. The fact is that there are better-run private tooled-up security outfits out there. Some of them British, in fact. There are precisely zero reasons to employ these loose cannons other than that someone, somewhere in the process got served a nice fat brown envelope.
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I know of a guy, former para, who does protection work out there. He gets 80k a year tax free for his trouble. No wonder the merc scene is so attractive.
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That'll be about four months of work as well. Still it probably doesn't seem like enough when you're wandering around some shithole waiting to catch an RPG in the face.
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He's a brick shithouse and an RPG would likely serve to irk him. But yeah, never really saw the appeal beyond the post-theatre bank balance.
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