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Old 12-Mar-2018, 14:56   #511
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So which is it instant panic or one of those just in case things?
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No idea. Feels like too late for instant panic, so I’m going with “just in case”, because fuck it, the press will kill them in a year’s time if they don’t.
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As long as we've got our priorities straight as microscopically deadly nerve agents go I suppose.
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It seems unlikely that the advice would exist if they thought there was a real risk, just that they discovered local contamination levels and believe its aerosol based.

Also if on the same day they suggested a real risk, they would have a small horde of folks with psychosomatic symptoms popping up.

The issue being that unlike in the Rock I don't think there is actually anything that can be done after exposure bar keeping you alive whilst your body tries to fix enough to keep working. Even then you are screwed for life with nerve damage depending on exposure.
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What does aerosol based mean? And who in their right mind cares about a few psychosomatic issues vs the risk of someone actually carking it without advice?
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It seems unlikely that the advice would exist if they thought there was a real risk, just that they discovered local contamination levels and believe its aerosol based.

Also if on the same day they suggested a real risk, they would have a small horde of folks with psychosomatic symptoms popping up.

The issue being that unlike in the Rock I don't think there is actually anything that can be done after exposure bar keeping you alive whilst your body tries to fix enough to keep working. Even then you are screwed for life with nerve damage depending on exposure.
Youíre talking like itís been confirmed itís VX, it hasnít and probably isnít. Silliness aside (face melting), The Rock is pretty accurate in fairness, atropine will stop nerve agents from functioning but it needs to me administered very quickly. I canít imagine for a second that a sleepy city like Salisbury will have stockpiles of atropine stores.
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Aerosol as in sprayed in some ones face (ala that NK assassination), whereas this I think was beer contamination? So one assumes that secondary civilian issues would be limited whereas there is real risk of the hospital being flooded such that real cases might get missed with a general warning (people being people).

The bigger question though has always been why use a string of pearls formation inside a missile were the only people ever likely to want to disarm one is your own side....
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I watched the documentary on BBC Four about Porton Down, and after seeing that, if it was VX or similar, I'm very surprised that more people are not affected. Some of the stuff they had could kill thousands using a miniscule amount.
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I really have no idea what beer contamination is either or what difference it makes to telling people to wash fuck out of their clothes earlier.
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May said in her speech to the commons it was Novichok. Nasty 4th gen nerve agent cooked up by the Soviets in the 80s under the guise of 'pesticide development' designed to evade detection and treaties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

BTW the Russians don't have any VX, that's something used by the Americans. The Russian equivalent formulation is VR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR_(nerve_agent)
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Youíre talking like itís been confirmed itís VX, it hasnít and probably isnít. Silliness aside (face melting), The Rock is pretty accurate in fairness, atropine will stop nerve agents from functioning but it needs to me administered very quickly.
I think Iíll hang on to that syringe of atropine I have, just in case! (It came with the gas mask I still have from being out in Israel during the first Gulf War)
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It might have passed its 'use by' date!
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They feared the scuds coming over may have contained some chemical agent.
I recall reading stories of people injecting themselves!

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I recall reading stories of people injecting themselves!

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My brother was in Iraq for two stints during the second Gulf War. He said they wore full hazmat suits and sat in trenches (edit), sometimes for hours (this was during the hot season) when the Iraqi army were firing scuds at their positions due to fear of chemical attacks. Did you have to do similar things?
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I was a volunteer on a kibbutz at the time... we taped up windows with plastic sheets and gaffer tape. Every time the siren went off, we’d get the gas masks on and head down to the bomb shelter for a few hours, usually overnight.
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They feared the scuds coming over may have contained some chemical agent.
Sadams Iraq had Sarin and Mustard gas. It was used in the Iraq / Iran war, against the Kurds and also against his own people. So it's a pretty rational expectation that the Scud hurtling towards you has nerve agents onboard.

Fun fact, some of these munitions were also used in roadside bombs against American forces. Then later the whole stockpiles fell into ISIS hands and was used against everyone ISIS was fighting.

Messy business that.
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+1 to the Dead Russians in the UK body count.

Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov found dead at his London home.

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Could be worse, they could be getting blown to pieces on their doorsteps like the poor black and Mexican people in Austin that has nothing whatsoever to do with fucking maga.
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Can’t help but think that the UK/West is making the same old mistakes again.

Corbyn is right, this is a time for calm and for analysing the available evidence and then submitting this to the relevant international committee. Instead the government and media are back on their soap boxes demonising Russia (not that I’m defending their behaviour) and riling up the public. It’s like belligerence is the only response we have when stuff like this happens.

The West is not going to slay it’s demons (hell, the species is not going to advance!) until a major western government is brave enough to take a stand and say “you know what? There is another way”, in spite of all the glory empire boys saying “doooont forget Chamberlain, doooont appease or we’re doomed!!!”. Time to tell them to do one in my view (edited).

Sorry, the rant went a bit pear shaped at the end.
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Because it's "deeply disturbing and anti- Semitic" and Corbyn appears to oppose its removal?
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How is it anti-semitic? Pretty sure there's white people there playing monopoly or whatever it is that they're doing...
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