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Old 02-May-2014, 18:10   #151
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259614

Can't imagine Russia will stay out for much longer (officially of course).
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Here's the relevant combat footage I could find for todays events in Ukraine.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a19_1399018471 (small arms fire at chopper)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAZMkMc-DPk (MANPAD? SAM firing from a rooftop, assuming at chopper)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=07a_1399018917 (chopper going down)

Here's the full footage the news are using an edited clip from (with subs), suffice to say (if subs are correct) the media are not telling the full story.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f4_1399041051

Oh and here's some Russian KA-52's flying a 'little' low on the border.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a2_1397684237
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Old 06-May-2014, 13:19   #153
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Here's the live feed from Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi
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So who was who in that video with the wounded Captain?
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Here's combat footage from yesterday in Sloviansk (this is the same area where the choppers went down). The local milita, in the video, repelled an Ukranian military attack.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f23_1399333292

There's another video from today of Trade Union house (Kiev) coming under attack (This one is on youtube so I can embed it properly). Pro-Russian and Pro-Kiev demonstrators clashed, due to weak policing it quickly devolved into a riot. There's lots of other videos of this incident that are NSFW so I'll refrain from linking those, you can find them yourself if you want.

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Oh and pictures are coming in from Maripol now.



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This could very easily turn into another long-oozing, rotting sore for the Russians, like Chechnya and Dagestan. And all in the name of a bit of nationalist penis waving to give the White Russians back home a reason to get up in the morning.
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if only someone could think of a name for the new department's new troops...

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Ukrainian Pilot being a dick.

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this ongoing silliness is really going to spoil my holiday plans
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Mariupol going to shit (warning: dead people at the end of first clip)...



Edit: Got a second angle of the firefight in the first video.

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What an utter prick shooting from the middle of a crowd of predominantly unarmed protestors
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Want to play 'spot the AK' with that crowd? There's more than a few carrying.
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NATO starts swaggering the ol' shoulders a bit;



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So this MH airlines crash (and by god they are unlucky) has pretty much got to be Ukraine separatists with Russian clobber basically firing at anything that moves right? Or at best some wierd autonomous launch by the Russian forces on the border. If so this is going to absolutely cripple Putin internationally. Horrendous scenes at the crash site either way. Nothing left bigger than a fist.
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Or just a horrible accident by the Ukrainians?
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Surely, if that had been en-route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, it'd have been at least 35,000 feet up over Ukraine. Who the fuck can hit that high? Especially "by accident".
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Having never operated a SAM I'd imagine it's fairly stressful, but I'm unburdened by facts
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I've found a couple of videos of the plane going down.




and a picture of the crash site (there are more but I'm not going to post those are there are corpses).



I can't verify the videos though.
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Surely, if that had been en-route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, it'd have been at least 35,000 feet up over Ukraine. Who the fuck can hit that high? Especially "by accident".
Identification might be the accident, not the launch. And I doubt the precise cruising height of nearly all transport be it military or commercial is beyond the reach of all but the most portable current equipment.
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Interfax are reporting that it was the rebels using a captured BUK SAM.

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Good grief those poor bastards. Well, welcome to the international terrorism club there chaps. Enjoy.
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Truely they have screweded themselves.

There really is nothing left of that plane too. Not pretty at all.
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Would you really put it past any of the bastards to shoot down an airliner, so you can blame it on the other side, and gain some sympathy/support from the west? None of them are exactly stable, are they.
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How can they still let commercial aircraft fly over an area that has a known ongoing conflict?
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If it's proven that pro-separatist rebels shot down the plane, which is looking more and more likely: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-border.html

There is no way the west can ignore it.. it might seem a tad dramatic but we could be looking at the beginning of the next major international conflict, not that I'm saying it isn't already.
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Cock up of monumental proportions. Desperately sad situation for the families involved, I can't imagine how apocalyptically angry I'd be in a situation like this.
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BBC reporting 6 Britons on flight.
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Looking like a good deal of passangers were from NATO/allaies.

Does this mean NATO will step in? I'm not really up on my when we can or can't dessemate a area the size of a small country because some lunatics shot down a passanger plane etiquete
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American Intelligence sources have confirmed the SAM launch and strike on the aircraft.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malay...ace-1405612373
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