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Old 10-Dec-2017, 20:50   #661
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Don't get me started on Corbyn!
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Starmer's good, or at least forensic, but there's no sense that he represents the party.
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Like that's a prerequisite in 2017 anywhere!
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It’s just a staggering political failure all round. Every crisis feel like a new nadir, but fucking hell...
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I'm not defending the Tories but Labour are far more all over the place on this:

John McDonnell: we must leave the single market to respect the referendum result

Tom Watson: we should stay in the single market and customs union permanently

Jon Ashworth, Jenny Chapman: we have to leave the single market

Diane Abbott: we should keep freedom of movement

Jeremy Corbyn, Keir Starmer: freedom of movement ends with Brexit

Barry Gardiner: staying in the customs union would be a disaster

Corbyn: whipped vote against single market and customs union membership

Starmer: we should stay in the single market and customs union (which means keeping free movement). Now it's "easy movement"
At least they are giving an opinion rather than platitudes like Brexit means Brexit. Someone (Hammond I think) admitted the other day that the cabinet still hasn't sat down and decided what they want from the trade deals and all the other bits to come. What the actual fuck?
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Platitudes like jobs first Brexit? Let's not pretend Labour has any more of a clue what to do than the Tories
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They dont need too , its all for the best regardless of what happens isnt it?
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But Labour aren't the ones in power, the ones supposed to know what the fuck they are doing.
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They’re all supposed to know what they’re doing, and the opposition is supposed to be holding the government to account on Brexit, which despite Starmer’s best efforts, they’re not.
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Davis has gone from "not legally binding" yesterday to "more than legally binding" today. Good stuff.
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Mr Davis said he had been taken out of context when he appeared to tell the BBC's Andrew Marr that guarantees designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland were a "statement of intent". "What I actually said yesterday in terms was, we want to protect the peace process, want to protect Ireland from the impact of Brexit for them," he said.
We keep misunderstanding these things. I wish we weren't all so dense and could fully understand and appreciate their hard work. I mean, he didn't say that at all as far as I could tell but I obviously missed something.
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While McDonnell says we won’t be part of the single market, but could be part of a single market. We’re all fucked.
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Ah, but there's a difference (is there?) between a single market and the single market.
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Wishful thinking is the difference I suspect.
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I'm not sure i want to be taking financial advice from the Iron Fist's company, thankyouverymuch.
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He just stated the obvious really, that the trade outcomes have to warrant the £40bn
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The trade outcomes that DD himself said they can't share a running commentary on until after the separation bill is settled because they haven't started arranging them yet and specifically won't until that bill is settled?
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No, the other ones.
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The German automakers will be along to save us any minute now, just you wait.
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A few of those plates are starting to slow down.
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He just stated the obvious really, that the trade outcomes have to warrant the £40bn
If i see a kid with learning difficulties on the street it might be stating the obvious to say "That kids retarded" but its probably not a smart idea.
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They are both playing their crowds to be fair, one needs to show that he's treating the UK as his gimp, the other that the gimp still has a bit of fight left
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Why didn't he consider just saying nothing? If in doubt shut the fuck up.
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I like to think hes under orders to lay smoke to May's decisiveness, because I like to think there is a strategy underpinning the discussions

or hes a just one of those people that can't keep it shut when someone else is gloating
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Or he likes the sound of his own voice.
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