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Old 04-Jan-2018, 12:54   #751
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Couldn't we do something far better like stop all payments over £X to landowners and set aside the funds to just buy it outright?

Stopping rich people rent seeking off the government is something I think for once most people here will be in agreement on (ok maybe that's new year optimism )
Yeah we could. The EU proposed a cap about a year ago but the UK objected. The bastards.
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You want the state to compel landowners to sell land for a pittance given that it's without standing planning permission.
depends on your viewpoint, I'm not talking compulsory purchase, just at least starting to turn the tap off (or down) so that yes selling the land to the state with its current permissions is a financially sensible option vs farming with reduced subsidies etc.

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Yeah we could. The EU proposed a cap about a year ago but the UK objected. The bastards.
I suspect that was the French and the Spanish being cynical at the time, given their huge CAP payments would dodge such a measure due their largely inefficient small holder farmers. So rather than ideological it was a "does the UK want less money back" question in the end.
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No, sadly. Although unfortunately that doesn’t make it a (completely) bad idea.
Just to be clear, no objection to a nice massive lovely greenland in principle.

Here's a few issues though, firstly best of luck defining and auditing land as delivering environmental benefit as wild meadow. You'll see a golf course or ten claiming this whilst existing low output high subisdy landowners continue to do nothing beyond a bare minimum to ensure they're "managing" the land to standard. Whilst DEFRA is running around making sure Dyson et al have filled in a few irrigation ditches watch the bulk of medium/smallhold producers continue to get ignored and fucked out of business.

Secondly, Buy British now means we're going to be eating acorns and grass?

Thirdly, guess how many British employees it takes to pick a meadow?


None of this is dramatic, just seems to entirely be at odds with the aims of the Brexit movement for one and seems to represent a fair old gift to the big landowners who are benefiting the most for doing the least as it stands.
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They was a few schemes that were fairly sensible, but they all ended in 2013.
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Execution is key, but it’s not like there’s not a load of regulation around farming already. I’m much more relaxed about being non self-sufficient for food than the rest of the UK seems to be. I agree with your final point though, I don’t think the green and pleasant land envisaged by the brexiteers involved paying for it.
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Tony Blair's memory is as selective in office as out of office: does he not remember his own regular NHS winter crises? Perhaps he was too focused on joining the euro to give his full attention to the NHS...
Previous government too distracted by Europe to focus on domestic matters. Why the fuck has my irony meter started making that buzzing sound?
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Execution is key, but itís not like thereís not a load of regulation around farming already. Iím much more relaxed about being non self-sufficient for food than the rest of the UK seems to be. I agree with your final point though, I donít think the green and pleasant land envisaged by the brexiteers involved paying for it.
Yeah I mean some MP called Michael Gove was pretty keen on the UK being a post-brexit food exporter way back in July but what does he know.
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Old 04-Jan-2018, 14:51   #758
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Well I’m just responding to this latest noise and I’m no great fan of Gove’s character, but it’s not incompatible with exporting certain produce (say lambs or beef) while reducing land devoted to arable or dairy farming.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828

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New car sales fell for the first time in six years last year, with demand for diesel cars plunging by almost a fifth.

In total, there were about 2.5 million cars registered, according to industry body the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

The figure was down 5.7% from 2016, while diesel sales fell 17.1% as higher taxes and pollution fears hit demand.
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Don't understand why anyone would buy a new car. Prices have gone up so much in the past few years and depreciation is massive. I've got a company car right now but will move to buy a ~2-3 year old one when my lease is up. I'm also baffled - there are so many people driving really expensive cars who clearly shouldn't be able to. I'm assuming they've got some sort of loan agreement but they must lose so much of their earnings on it.

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The PCP bubble could well end up being filled with pus.
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I'm all for it, there's going to be some great cash deals on year old AMG mercs come Q3.
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My lease has 2.5 years left. I'm really looking forward to seeing what I can get second hand then.
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I know JLR are having downtime on a Friday, but after the Christmas holidays, they were due to return on the 2nd January, but were laid off for a full week and now return on the 8th January.
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Yeah PCP is the reason you see so many new cars on the road. It may be a market bubble but at least this is one bubble where end consumers are protected by the guaranteed resale values at the end of their terms, assuming of course they get there.
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Back on Michael Gove and his meadows, if you can stomach the incessant references to taking back control this is actually pretty thoughtful.

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Yeah PCP is the reason you see so many new cars on the road. It may be a market bubble but at least this is one bubble where end consumers are protected by the guaranteed resale values at the end of their terms, assuming of course they get there.
The last part of that sentence being not unimportant.
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Back on Michael Gove and his meadows, if you can stomach the incessant references to taking back control this is actually pretty thoughtful.

https://t.co/uGz2rbZUzZ
Yeah I wonder who wrote it. Patronising incorporation of agricultural terminology like "husband" in sentences where it has no place aside it's a good piece of work.

Still, promising massive simplification of grant eligibility whilst pledging to make fewer complex inspections from a drastically reduced watchdog. Can't think of many industries that would argue with that trajectory, regardless of public benefits.
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And sodding pig ear saviours again, really?
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Had to read it three times before finding that reference. Look, I’m sure there’s plenty to disagree over in this, but policy is hard and this deserves a slightly more thoughtful summary than “Gove’s a smug idiot and he wants to pay for meadows”.
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Let me know when it's policy rather than a Schrodinger Cat and I'll give it one.
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Who’d have thought the Telegraph would publish an anti-Blair and anti-Remain cartoon. Shame, he’s about the only person vaguely connected with the Labour Party who’s prepared to support what 78% of Labour Party voters apparently want.
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That poll is incredible. If reliable and it manages to hold up it legitimately gives Labour a reason to put that as an election commitment without jeopardising their core base.
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The problem is where that 20% is geographically - I think they got a surge of "Brexit settled, now lets do the tories" in the marginals
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I somehow missed this. The man loves a good referendum
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I think you’re trying to make a point but I’m just not seeing it..
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I'm not I just thought it was an amusing leaflet.
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