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Old 08-Apr-2009, 22:14   #31
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Thank you for putting me straight. I look forward to seeing you on Channel 4 news the next time they need an expert opinion.
And I look forward to your next cookie-cutter ream of faux tory bullshit here.
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The media love this sort of shit though. It all needs to remain in context, had he not of died would it of even made the news? Its not exactly the same as the coppers beating the crap out of that black lad is it.

Yes its unfortunate or even fucked up that he died but you cannot seriously blame the policeman for causing it because he didn't. Heart attacks are ticking timebombs. Whatever he had been doing for the previous 30 minutes could just as easily be the cause.

Police brutality in foreign countries is far worse than anything our police are capable of.
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You do realise that this is easily a manslaughter case?
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Yes, basically this is what manslaughter is used for, you attack someone in a way that you wouldn't expect to kill them, but they die as a result of the attack = manslaughter.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6972631.stm
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And I look forward to your next cookie-cutter ream of faux tory bullshit here.
Lol, I just cba taking the bait anymore. Wind someone up who cares.
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I could be* wrong, but does it look to anyone else as though he was deliberately sauntering along in front of the coppers and being an awkward cocky cunt ?

Looks like suicide to me.








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The guy was walking away from police.

He had his hands in his pockets.

He had police dogs barking and snarling right next to his legs.

He had policemen, wielding weapons, yelling at him.


Are you seriously telling me, that being in that situation would not cause you to slow down and be very cautious about the steps you make? Look at his shoulders. Even though his hands are in his pockets, his shoulders are haunched up around his neck. His body language is completely defensive, not aggressive or arrogant.

Whether the police officers involved had had a bad day or not is completely irrelevant. They are there to set the standard and protect the public. A middle aged man, with his hands in his pockets, walking away from police, was struck in the leg with a baton, then pushed face first to the ground. The same police that claimed they tried to help him but were prevented by the protesters, stood and stared at him on the ground whilst one of the nearby protesters came to his aid.


Its grade A bullshit from the police and I cant believe that anybody viewing this video would have any kind of defence for the police officers shown in that video. Only one officer pushed him to the ground, but they are all equally guilty for that mans death.
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Minty the police tried to help him when he later collapsed unconscious, don't twist it.

The guy looks like he's being a deliberately annoying twat to me. As others said, anyone who didn't want to be involed would be WELL out of it - like I was. There were some proper wankers there intent on causing trouble and criminal damage, not to mention baiting police and throwing things at them. The same people filming that clip were stoning the police as they tried to help him remember. Police or not noone should have to suffer abuse like that doing their job. Would any of you stand for it?

I can't condone the copper for pushing him but I can certainly see how things like this get out of hand.
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He didn't just push him. He wasn't a protester.
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Minty the police tried to help him when he later collapsed unconscious, don't twist it.
Not attempting to. Im well aware of the fact that his heart attack occurred later on, evidenced by the fact that he got up and walked away.

But can we seriously believe the word of the police, when they said that they had attempted to help this man, but protesters wouldnt let them? We've just witnessed a video of police brutality, where one officer strikes a man whose actions are extremely passive, if not defensive, then all stand and stare at him whilst he is on the ground. Why did not even ONE of them go to help the man up? It was left to a nearby bystander/protester to come to his aid.
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Are you seriously telling me he was just sauntering home from work and happened to find himself surrounded by a mob of police officers who were sufficiently annoyed with him for doing nothing to set upon him?

I don't know about you guys but it seems I have an uncanny nack of not putting myself into situations like that.

Let's just see what evidence appears.
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Not attempting to. Im well aware of the fact that his heart attack occurred later on, evidenced by the fact that he got up and walked away.

But can we seriously believe the word of the police, when they said that they had attempted to help this man, but protesters wouldnt let them? We've just witnessed a video of police brutality, where one officer strikes a man whose actions are extremely passive, if not defensive, then all stand and stare at him whilst he is on the ground. Why did not even ONE of them go to help the man up? It was left to a nearby bystander/protester to come to his aid.
Because they just pushed him over(and apparently smacked him with a baton)? Now not saying that act was right but if theyve just pushed him over theyre hardly like to walk over and offer him a hand up two seconds afterwards.
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From what we've had released he's a Millwall fan who worked in a newsagents. This doesn't really strike me as the kind of biography of a far-left anti-globalisation activist.
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I recall the police initially saying something about protesters preventing medical assistance from getting to him. Usual misinformation then.

Its usually people who have had no experience of protests who trust whatever statements the police initially come out with. Watching the protests in the office, there were plenty of macho comments about the reluctance of the police to wield their batons on the "hippies". Feels good don't it? Unfortunately it just demonstrates their pig ignorance.

I actually went down to the protests - I work about 5 minutes down the road and whilst I don't agree with a lot of what certain individuals were advocating, it is also obvious that there were a panoply of people there. Some were there for a fight, others had legitimate concerns about the greed, economic system, and governance which led to what has been a massive cost to the taxpayer and benefited only a few.
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Because they just pushed him over(and apparently smacked him with a baton)? Now not saying that act was right but if theyve just pushed him over theyre hardly like to walk over and offer him a hand up two seconds afterwards.
Sorry, but if I was in that line and saw a fellow officer do that to a member of the public, id break formation to help the guy up and put in an immediate complaint about that officer. Again, it was only ONE officer that did the pushing.
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cops in cunt shocker, again.

I can't imagine the families upset and righteous anger at this, just like we'd all be if it had been our old man.
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is there any wonder that they are hated?

i know this is a small minority of them that pull stunts like this, but when they do they should throw the fuckin book at em.
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I recall the police initially saying something about protesters preventing medical assistance from getting to him. Usual misinformation then.
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Im a cynical person, so I by no means simply trust these peoples word simply over that of the police. But combine it with the video supplied to the guardian and you have what looks to be the start of some fairly damning evidence.
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Have the people who are suggesting he somehow brought this upon himself actually watched the videos? I can't believe anyone's seriously maintaining that position after seeing a police officer beat the shit out of an entirely passive and unaggressive individual with a baton.
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Where is this footage of him being hit with a baton?
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I recall the police initially saying something about protesters preventing medical assistance from getting to him. Usual misinformation then.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512171,00.html

That was the first story I saw on the matter. Hilarious statement there from the met spokesman.
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curiosity got the better of him, should have stayed away.

as for if he was antaganizing (sp?) them, no one knows but him really.
the officer in the video's should get be kicked out at least, due to excessive use of force.
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Without footage of how he came to be so close to the police line and what happened in the minutes prior to it as well as what was going on behind the camera, this is all hearsay based on some largely out of context video(s). He seems to be walking slowly minding his own business BUT if you were to trace his steps backwards from the path he was walking he'd have to have passed through some parked bicycles or climbed over them. In short, there's clearly more to this than meets the eye...transformers?

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There's a forest of CCTV cameras in London - surely one of them will have seen this?
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