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Old 07-Jan-2017, 12:59   #1501
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Does brexit not mean brexit any more?
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Perhaps they're slowly reaching the conclusion that it means whatever Barnier and Merkel tell us it means?
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Brexish?
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Stand by, the letter to Santa is coming:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38546820
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Perhaps they're slowly reaching the conclusion that it means whatever Barnier and Merkel tell us it means?

Ahh but remember the Prosecco and BMW sales.We should all be thankful that the good honest working class people of this country give the government such massive bargaining power by purchases such huge quantities of 3 series and Prosecco on tap. Showing the metropolitan elite how its done.
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Sky news asking all the important questions: (paraphrasing) are you offended that trump's gonna grab you by the pussy?
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Yeah, she nailed that one. The question about the trade off between immigration controls and access to the single market, not so much.
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Oh yay, $1.22 again.
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Prioritising domestic politics over trade is the direction of travel the world is moving in. This isn't a UK phenomenon. 2017 will be interesting.
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No but like jingoism and the vacuum cleaner, we're fucking perfecting it aren't we.
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To paraphrase my mother 'if everyone else was jumping in front of a bus, would you?'

The answer as a populace seems to be yes, yes we would.
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What if I told you there where some immigrants standing on the kerb alongside you?
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I'd vomit like the WI ladies on Little Britain.
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To be fair though, in most of the tests I've seen people are like lemmings and will follow a crowd. Fuck, I was running a 5k recently and it turned into a 10k when the race leader got lost and everyone (including myself) followed him..
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I think it's a stretch to equate jingoism to the rise in the recent preference for the nation state and domestic politics over globalism. We're a long way from that. For instance, we've not yet declared war on the EU, we've just democratically decided it's a bit shit .
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You're still hung up that it was a democratic function. We're a parliamentary democracy, not a a direct democracy. Even Thatcher thought that they were unwise. But I think we should avoid testing that ground again tbh, as it will go nowhere.
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I think it's a stretch to equate jingoism to the rise in the recent preference for the nation state and domestic politics over globalism. We're a long way from that. For instance, we've not yet declared war on the EU, we've just democratically decided it's a bit shit .
You meant to say "we" not "it" there right? Because we're a key member of "it".
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Just all those foreigners making it shit then. Glad we voted them out of our magic success zone. I was sick of living in the third most financially healthy country in Europe anyway!
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Alright alright seriously though. I get that there's massive scope for improvement, but I just can't understand why anyone thinks we can walk away from the table and still benefit from any change? It's 2017. The trading world is consolidating around us. We are horribly fucked in dealing without being able to pull the weight of the full EU market out of our back pocket aren't we?
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But muh commonwealth trading bloc (because it's still 1890).

Also my house isn't up to my standards so I'm going to tear it all down and rebuild instead of building an extension so that I still have somewhere to live while I improve my living space.
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Or your house has required maintenance for years but the bodges layered on bodges has rendered it unrepairable or extendable
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So I choose homelessness over the status quo.
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yup in belief of building a better house.

I don't think either side would describe the EU as well functioning beast, they just argue as to whether camping in the garden for 5 years is better than living in a house that might collapse and where some of the rooms are being filled up with Lodgers
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Well to take the house example one step further, we are not only looking at rebuilding the house but ripping up our local Wickes discount card and instead going to another city for materials.
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And also learning how to build a house from scratch because noone knows how to build one.
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And camping for 20 years before you even know if the house you are building is going to be better than the one before.
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...and looking with some speculation at pile of mud instead of clay.
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This metaphor is almost as stretched as our collective bumholes will be post negotiation!
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