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Old 18-Apr-2014, 11:04   #1
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H1Z1

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Huge seemless world thanks to PS2 engine.
Base building.
Vehicles all ready in.
Zombies are a persistant threat not something you can just walk away from.
Crafting.
trading.
potentially 1000s on a server.
Planning on differnt styles of server with different rule sets e.g. role play, kill on sight free for all types etc.
Micro transactions for asthetics because what fucking game dosnt have it these days, you wont be able to buy ammo or bandages etc.
on steam in a month with the low low price of $20 for a unfinished game.


DayZ style MMO on the planetside2 engine. I'm looking forward to it tbh, Smedley and co seem to be interacting with the community really well and its always a bonus to see it in my book. They livestreamed it last night it didn't go as they planned but again its a brave decision to take instead of sending out a cinematic. The one thing I always liked about Rocket was he wasn't affraid to show how shit DayZ was in his livestreams.

@Wooly all the lads on the TS are still dayzing btw and they'll be getting this if you need a place to camp.
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Wow new record for Smedley, tells community not a pay to win game and that guns would not be included in air drops, game opens for early access and suddenly they change it so guns can be dropped with air crate tokens.

Now offering refunds to anyone who does not want to play a P2W game.

http://www.reddit.com/r/h1z1/comment...refund_policy/


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Old 16-Jan-2015, 20:11   #3
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Aye just been having a read, a lot of raging on reddit and the steam community pages.
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Yeah not touching it with a barge pole unless they fix the p2w, breaking point and Dayz may have their problems but at least its a level playing field
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Old 16-Jan-2015, 20:29   #5
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Isn't this going to be free once it's actually ready? seems weird that you have to pay for a game to test it for them. Worlds gone mad.
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I've been watching a few on Twitch, I'm struggling to see the attraction! Just seems like a really slow, not very skill based, DM matchup. As it always ends in PVP dust ups. Apparently it is hilarious to say to others that you are friendly only to kill them shortly afterwards. Fun for 5 minutes but what after that?
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This is the post about what can now arrive through the airdrop crates:
http://www.reddit.com/r/h1z1/comment...sonal_apology/

Pretty low drop rate on guns and ammo actually 12 shot gun shells really isn't going to last that long.

The thing about airdrops is that the plane dropping them is so slow, you and the rest of the server can follow it and fight for the drop, just because you spent rl money buying the airdrop it's not a sure thing that you will get the loot.

Even Smedley said the game was P2W in its previous form, but after 24 hours it has been changed.

I have only played the game for a few hours, but I love the crafting system, being able to make a bow so you are not entirely weak at the start is nice.

Once they open up more EU servers on Tuesday I will definitely be giving it a go
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I would rather play a buggy mod made with love then a corporate game made to bleed its players of money.
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I have no reason to defend my gaming habits to you, quite frankly its non of your business.

The argument here is with concern to the down right lying Smedley has once again resorted to in an effort to peddle his wares. They will implement a fix now, yes that for certain but within a year a new method will be installed in the game to milk the community. He is a businessman is job is to take your money, F2P makes shit ton of money for a reason and they wouldn't spend millions producing a game without carefully selecting the elements of the game they can monetize.

They don't aim to bleed you quickly its done over time a small buff here a hat there maybe a spectral tiger. I fell for it in Planetside 2, my monthly sub paid for a hard ass looking helmet and a gun that enabled me to go to 4/1 KD up from 1/1 as TR.

Give it a year after release and we will see just how insidious the f2p model is. The two letters and a number contain a lie, the lie is free when the reality is frisked.
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You purchased a game to test in alpha, how far have we come when we pay to test a game? Alpha and beta used to be a time when the foundations of a community where built now its just more money in the wallet of corporations.

They have decided to make money out of the 'first' mentality, it will be interesting to see how many players who purchase now continue to pay post launch.
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You purchased a game to test in alpha, how far have we come when we pay to test a game? Alpha and beta used to be a time when the foundations of a community where built now its just more money in the wallet of corporations.

They have decided to make money out of the 'first' mentality, it will be interesting to see how many players who purchase now continue to pay post launch.
Yes I did buy the alpha to test a game, but also to play a game but like you say above my gaming habits are non of your business! And the dig about the spectral tiger, yes I was brought one, as a present, you know what they are right?

Didnt you test dayz? Didn't you have to pay for that?

I like how you edited your post when you mention about the spectral tiger, which for everyone reading was brought 6 years ago and is still the mount I use today, for a game I still sub for, but is also just cosmetic.

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The argument is not spending habits its the implementation of payment system whose over all goal is to bring in more money then subscription base systems.

The spectral tiger was not a dig it but a known example of in game item monetization that we know of as an inclusive group. If you would like shall we switch that out for say invite a friend? I believe we have all used that system?

Dayz is a different kettle of fish I paid for access to test a game which at the end of the testing process would have no monetiztion of in game items or service - same as arma 3 got that for steal of 10 full game now 30. Unfortunately the Dayz game has at present lost my support due to route the developers have chosen to go.

Shall we bring the argument down to three points of discussion?
  • Is the monetization of gaming reaching unacceptable levels?
  • Should companys be allowed to request payment for an unfinished item, that will will require extra expenditure with the F2P model?
  • What as the consumer should we demand if projects fail or deviate from the original path?

Let me respond to those questions, If I may.
1. I believe the monetization of gaming has reached unacceptable levels. Sadly this is actually not that at the expense of the us long term gamers but the social gamer as seen in such 'games' (frisking programs) as candy crush saga. A clever maneuver by company's by making monetization acceptable across a broader spectrum, thus resulting in the acceptance of expenditure over the consumers live time which will result such a method being seen as the norm.
2.No payment to test for a F2P game should not be allowed, paying for it any point immediately defeats the basis of the game. If you have paid it is not free
3. If the system is to continue then the consumer should be fully protected and at any point they should be allowed to reclaim any money spent in the testing process.
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Yes paying for an alpha isn't a great move, but if I get to test a game which in concept I could really enjoy, doesn't seem such a bad thing. It's been out 3 days so far, and the devs seem to be listening as they have changed quite a bit so far. Thirst and hunger, the whole p2w air drop shambles. If h1z1 turns out how most of it's followers want, then it will be f2p with cosmetics only available from the store.

F2p games are such a huge thing now, look at swtor for example that game tanked as sub, now they make huge profit from their non p2w store.

If h1z1 ends up being p2w after a month then I won't be playing it. But as right now the bit I have played was fun. Slightly buggy and laggy but it's been out 3 days lol

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In that case let me put that back in, I removed it as I believed it could be misconstrued as personal dig ( as proved by your post) rather then as dig at the itemization model.
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APB is pay to win and I don't see many complaints about that. Also, pay to win has to be better than paying for skins that do fuck all via a lottery? At least you're getting a better gaming experience out of it right?
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The difference being chef has apb ever proclaimed to not be p2w? There are video's of the devs of h1z1 saying the game was not p2w and then immediately implementing such a system just as people started parting with money. You do not go to extent of authorising refunds unless the p2w was intended policy. If they had come out and said ' shit we used the wrong loot table' then the argument would not exist.

Instead it appears there was intent to mislead the consumer contrary to what was said in dev vids. The lie is the issue and the extent to which we the consumer have let the systems infiltrate the industry by purchasing within the system.
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The difference being chef has apb ever proclaimed to not be p2w? There are video's of the devs of h1z1 saying the game was not p2w and then immediately implementing such a system just as people started parting with money. You do not go to extent of authorising refunds unless the p2w was intended policy. If they had come out and said ' shit we used the wrong loot table' then the argument would not exist.

Instead it appears there was intent to mislead the consumer contrary to what was said in dev vids. The lie is the issue and the extent to which we the consumer have let the systems infiltrate the industry by purchasing within the system.
If p2w air drops were meant to be in, why would they have changed it? And just not keep it how it is.
Either way I'm just gonna go with flow and hopefully enjoy it
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This is the one thing putting me off gaming. The likes of the original CS, CoD, BF, TFC, everyone had access to the same weapons. Now you can buy more powerful weapons. Even in BF, if you have a bit more skill, you level up quicker, get better weapons, and puts you further ahead. It just seems like there is no level playing field anymore.
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fucking stellar review lol
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Old 18-Jan-2015, 14:58   #26
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I get the distinct impression he doesn't like it! haha
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I watched it thinking it was Ross Noble reviewing lol
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Nah, That's Mack of Mack and Mesh fame. I prefer Mesh myself.

Also, he can't hate it that much, he just uploaded another video 5 hours ago.



Check out 3 mins in, shows you how shit this game is.

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It seems now that the knee jerk over reaction is calming down some gaming sites are being dug up that reported exactly what air drops would include, these articles are from back in august last year.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/08/16/h1z1...scom-soe-live/

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Airdrops will provide survivors with ammunition, food, water, weapons and other supplies. These aren’t free supplies being handed out by a group such as the Red Cross or anything either: they are purchased via the in-game store.
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And heres a livestream from 3 days before launch:



Smedley explained this video by saying that the guy on the stream simply forgot that airdrops exist. Because devs frequently forget how they monetised their game.

Although to be fair, if trickery is anything to go by then its probably fair to say that devs all over the world are morons.
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