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Old 17-Dec-2016, 02:52   #1
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HMP Birmingham

Well it wasn't beyond the wit of man that if you defund the prison service eventually you'd get an incident like this:



To summarise:
  • huge national shortages of riot guards delaying response
  • no staff injuries reported, but 3 prisoners so far including head injury and slashed neck
  • prisoners have seized keys and control most of the prison including security rooms, gym and several wings
  • multiple fires
  • emergency internal security chains (used when prisoners have access to keys) have been breached
  • prisoners spraying riot teams with paint and fire hoses
  • cost (probably to taxpayer) in the £ millions. Need to remove all 2400+ Cat B prisoners while work done to repair and re-secure (because keys have been taken)
  • prisoners in possession of batons, body armour and helmets
  • prisoners in all other prisons likely in lockdown as staff there are pulled into this one
  • admin areas seized, documents set alight and PCs thrown from windows (no word yet on whether the OS is Windows)
  • all non-‘Tornado team’ staff withdrawn. Concern for prisoners with healthcare/medication needs
  • possibly up to 600 inmates involved
  • apparently only two wing staff on duty when this kicked off
  • 12 hours in, still no comment from Prisons Minister Sam Gyimah
  • G4S press statement refers to this major riot as simply an “ongoing incident”. Incredible
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Old 17-Dec-2016, 10:18   #2
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And the man who made the perfect storm for this to happen is now in charge of fucking up the railways.
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No idea about prisons, but ASLEF and the RMT are behaving disgracefully with respect to Southern.
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Both my sister-in-law and her husband work in prison's, one for G4S, and the other in one run by the government, and along with the things EG has pointed out, they say the main problem they are having is legal highs. Both have had a number of death's in each prison, a few have ended up in a permanent vegetated state, but the biggest worry is how violent it's making the prisoners. They say it's like an epidemic right through UK prison's.
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No idea about prisons, but ASLEF and the RMT are behaving disgracefully with respect to Southern.
Southern were utter trash before a single day of striking ever happened.

G4S. Also shambles with lives being flagrantly put at risk in exchange for profit. Can't wait till they run the health service.
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Yep, Southern aren't, and have never, covered themselves in glory, but this strike is so transparently not about safety.
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Not entirely no. But then neither is the drive to remove the guards is it.
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But they're not pretending it is
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I missed the part where Govia Thameslink were honest about what it is.
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It's an attempt to save money through modernisation, is anyone really disputing that?
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Old 17-Dec-2016, 20:57   #11
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Both my sister-in-law and her husband work in prison's, one for G4S, and the other in one run by the government, and along with the things EG has pointed out, they say the main problem they are having is legal highs. Both have had a number of death's in each prison, a few have ended up in a permanent vegetated state, but the biggest worry is how violent it's making the prisoners. They say it's like an epidemic right through UK prison's.
I know quite a number of pretty serious class A users who've been through the prison system and that bit about the legal highs is bang on. Awful stuff.
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It's an attempt to save money through modernisation, is anyone really disputing that?
Save money.
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Old 17-Dec-2016, 22:08   #13
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I know quite a number of pretty serious class A users who've been through the prison system and that bit about the legal highs is bang on. Awful stuff.
I live near a Cat D so some of the guards are in the pub from time to time. They are constantly mentioning 'Spice' as being a massive problem turning prisoners in to complete lunatics.
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Spice is fucking horrible
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I suspect spice has become a generic term newspapers use for synthetic cannabis. Check out research chemicals on alphabay, there's stuff on there that's literally thousands of times stronger than whatever nasty shit the original spice was.

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Some of the prisoners have been shipped to HMP Hull and it's kicking off there now.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...hmp-birmingham
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If I got sent to Hull for any reason, I'd go mental too.
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Inmates take over a wing at Swaleside prison in Kent.

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HMP Birmingham again. 12 hour riot, one wing lost.

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3 days after the Prison smoking ban, not sure what they thought was going to happen when a shit load of angry locked up blokes started getting nicotine withdrawal.
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Not sure they would be arsed to riot if that was the case
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given the currency to buy heroin in prison is cigarettes, there is probably an ideal economic case study in the social collapse due to currency collapse mixed in there. Its definitely got PhD paper potential "commodity based currency collapse in enclosed markets"
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they probably just looked outside at the rest of brum and realised they didn't want to be released
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