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Old 01-Feb-2017, 12:42   #121
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I don't think Trump has knobbled the Supreme court, that was the Republicans of the senate who blocked Obama's pick. Trump's pick looks relatively sane for a conservative pick. There has been rumblings about the senate Democrats doing all they can to block his nomination in retaliation for the Republican's earlier blocking of Merrick Garland.
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This choice I agree is almost middle off the road, the issue though is the the other two justices who are due to croak in mini-hand's term. That could shift the balance for decades if he continues to put forward young right wing candidates.
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I get the perspective particularly with regards to the us system, but surely judges should be conservatives or they are politicians by another name?
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The judiciary is a branch of legislature that provides an interpretation of legislation that becomes precedent and so they essentially clarify law (sometimes enough to almost be considered creating law) with their judgements. There are a lot of rules about how they can do that (and one of those is by interpreting the spirit of the law - which could be very different depending on your viewpoint) but at the highest level (i.e. the Supreme Court), decisions that judges make can only be overturned by legislature (or rarely, and after significant time has passed and societal change has ensued, by other judges at the same level), so if you have only illiberal interpretation of law for decades, the reality of law application through the country will become less liberal.

So no, they are not politicians by another name and Merrick Garland was a perfectly reasonable pick, he isn't some left wing luvvie, but a large number of Republicans are still bitter about Roe vs Wade so they try to get people in the Supreme Court to prevent similarly liberal decisions occurring and possibly overturn them.
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Laws almost by definition are illiberal in an Anglo-Saxon legal system, courts shouldn't be redefining them according to the cultural zeitgeist, that's the job of lazy politicians.

Incidentally this is why I don't see any value is constitutions. At least changing legislation fairly easily in parliamentary, raw majority democracy as a feature. The American "separation of powers" democracy is just a lie, probably a dangerous one too
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I'm not sure you know what liberal means? Plenty of laws define our most basic rights and freedoms, or if you want, 'liberties' (note the same word root)... Such as the right to not be killed, the right to a fair trial, etc. There are other laws which impinge on our rights and freedoms, such as drug laws, but to say all laws are not liberal is obvious codswallop.

The politicizing of the judiciary in America is almost entirely because of the scope of their constitution, but we do have a constitution, it is more reserved in scope and we don't base our entire political debate around it as much as they do.
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I'm not sure you know what liberal means? Plenty of laws define our most basic rights and freedoms, or if you want, 'liberties' (note the same word root)... Such as the right to not be killed, the right to a fair trial, etc. There are other laws which impinge on our rights and freedoms, such as drug laws, but to say all laws are not liberal is obvious codswallop.
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Liberal has a gazillion definitions, so I wouldn't get hung up on it. All I'm pointing out is that all laws are prohibitions on free behaviour even, or maybe especially, those that provide both positive and negative "rights". Ergo every law is a restriction on complete freedom or illiberal in the widest sense. Naturally I don't see this as a bad thing as general rule
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That's simply not true. What are rights if not laws providing for certain freedoms?
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Negative rights are curtailing of behaviour quite overtly (i.e. right not to get murdered)

positive rights require curtailing of others behaviour (right to free education) by necessity to implement
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You're confusing the effect with the actual definition. The fact that murder is illegal is not a "negative right". It is, in fact, an offence which is subject to punishment under criminal law.
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According to reports that were apparently based on a leaked White House document, the US president told Peña Nieto: “You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.”

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You know when you're referring to a plan to take refugees out of Rape Camp Australia and give them shelter and medical treatment as a "deal" then you're probably not to be trusted with the welfare of a country.
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It'll just be "we're going to have a red, white and blue brexit" hand written 10000 times.
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Or one massive billboard the size of the London Eye with "Darkies Out" written on it.
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Nah just lefties
Pretty sure you count as metropolitan elite so maybe you better just start being nicer to us lefties and ethnic types as youll be packing your bags with us
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I ain't a metropolitan elite - I'm from the north!
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Christ the "lefties" thing is fucking tired. So is pretending Brexit had nothing to do with immigration.
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So is darkies being the only reason for Brexit, but you keep that narrative going, but don't act so indignant when it's thrown back at you.
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given it was mass Syrian and Turkish migration that were the fear factors, it should probably be Swarthies anyway
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So is darkies being the only reason for Brexit, but you keep that narrative going, but don't act so indignant when it's thrown back at you.
Keeping that narrative going? I think you've confused me with Nigel Farage MEP.
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It's been pointed out that I should probably let the other thread die.

I saw this story yesterday, but have only just made the connection. No prizes for perspicacity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lled-al-awlaki

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Oh the Brexit plan isn't a plan it's more bullet points.

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