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Old 21-Jul-2008, 09:00   #1
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Buh-bye idle doley scum - hello street-cleaning doley scum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7516551.stm

Incapacity benefit is the biggest piss take imaginable. Perhaps some of our resident doley scum would like to pass comment on this entirely reasonable green paper?
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Absolutely, work for a wage or work for your benefits, either way suits me so long as Jeremy Kyles viewing figures go down.
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Hoo Fooking Raaaa

About time this country did something about the doley scum. The one's that are sat on their arse and not doing anything, but are well capable of it.

Although I'm sure that they will find yet another loophole. Like claim 23 months of dole, then work for a week, and then sign on again!
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in a word NO beniffits should not be linked to comunity service. we are liveing in a nazi police state. where are all theres so called jobs. i would like to see this gov liveing on benifits. i dont know anybody on any benifit who can get a 10,000,00 kichen like them crimenals the uk gov....

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Aye ....

If you want to claim bennies, then work for them, like any other job. Don't sit on your arse! Works fine in New Zealand!
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Very radical plans, a good shake-up of the system is long overdue.
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Agreed, its about time the system had a shake-up. What will they do to the ones who refuse to work? I know the normal answer would be to stop there benefits but then the do gooder parade steps in and says you cant because you would taking away there rights to live.

My old next door neighbour used to be on the dole. I used to give him a couple of days work here and there just doing labouring etc. I then started to get quite busy and offered him a full time job which he refused on the grounds that he would have to sign off and start paying his own way. He got no more work from me the leeching bastard.
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Old 21-Jul-2008, 10:26   #8
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Sounds like such an obvious solution; why hasn't it been in place before now?
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Because there is a school of thought that suggests everyone on the dole wants to work but can't find a job. Obviously this is complete nonsense and the majority of people on the dole have no interest in working.

I have no problem with that but thier benefits should be puny. That would solve it.

There are people I know that don't bother working because if they take a minimum wage job they would actually lose money.

Benefits should be basic supplys only. How many dolies have you seen with a Lambert sticking out of thier mouth? Plenty. Fags cost 5 a pack how the FUCK can someone out of work afford that?

No. A better solution to making them work is to cut the benefits by 50%. Fuck 'em. Make them suffer on the breadline unless they decide to actually get off thier arses then you can give them a bit of community work for an extra 20 a week.
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I think they should have to work for their benefits and those who refuse should get the bare minimum in order to stay alive. Rations would be a good idea.

Another money saving scheme would be to bring back capital punishment for certain serious crimes. Why should I contribute to the meal ticket for some murderer or dirty paedo?

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I think they should have to work for their benefits and those who refuse should get the bare minimum in order to stay alive. Rations would be a good idea.

Another money saving scheme would be to bring back capital punishment for certain serious crimes. Why should I contribute to the meal ticket for some murderer or dirty paedo?

And gypsies, sort them out too. Dirty thieving bastards!

And chavs. Don't get me started on chavs.

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I agree with the concept in general, but I'm concerned about how it's going to be implemented. My wife has MS in a very big way and there's no way on earth that she's able to work. As a consequence, neither am I, because I need to be here with her pretty much 24 hours a day. While I think it's unlikely that she'll lose her incapacity benefit, god knows what'll happen to my crappy pittance they jokingly call "invalid care allowance". If it comes down to it, I'll just have to completely stop claiming and cope with being worse off.
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I agree with the concept in general, but I'm concerned about how it's going to be implemented. My wife has MS in a very big way and there's no way on earth that she's able to work. As a consequence, neither am I, because I need to be here with her pretty much 24 hours a day. While I think it's unlikely that she'll lose her incapacity benefit, god knows what'll happen to my crappy pittance they jokingly call "invalid care allowance". If it comes down to it, I'll just have to completely stop claiming and cope with being worse off.
Which sucks, frankly.
I'd imagine there will be some hoops to jump through in order to continue to qualify...

1) Can you pick up a crisp bag?

If yes - no benefits for you until we see a bin liner stuffed with crisp bags
If no - gratz! You got benefits!
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I agree with the concept in general, but I'm concerned about how it's going to be implemented. My wife has MS in a very big way and there's no way on earth that she's able to work. As a consequence, neither am I, because I need to be here with her pretty much 24 hours a day. While I think it's unlikely that she'll lose her incapacity benefit, god knows what'll happen to my crappy pittance they jokingly call "invalid care allowance". If it comes down to it, I'll just have to completely stop claiming and cope with being worse off.
Which sucks, frankly.
This government are far too scared to be that radical (and wrong) m8 - situations like that should and probably will stay untouched. The issue with people skiving on invalidity benefits is a different problem - not that you or your wife are but those who claim they are incapable of working are a different ballgame to those who cant be bothered.

This proposal is a great idea which is why it wont happen. This country is shit.
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I agree with the concept in general, but I'm concerned about how it's going to be implemented. My wife has MS in a very big way and there's no way on earth that she's able to work. As a consequence, neither am I, because I need to be here with her pretty much 24 hours a day. While I think it's unlikely that she'll lose her incapacity benefit, god knows what'll happen to my crappy pittance they jokingly call "invalid care allowance". If it comes down to it, I'll just have to completely stop claiming and cope with being worse off.
Which sucks, frankly.
That's terrible - sorry to hear about that

Unfortunately, it's likely to be hastily-drafted, ill-thought-out legislation that will hurt lots of people.
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To be honest it's not full on MS sufferers that are going to get in the shit. It's the massive pile of bad back/depressed/SAD/whining cocksmoking pile of "I've tried a few jobs but they involved work" tossers that need to be either starved to death. Or made to work.

Your missus deserves incapac for life if her condition is serious and there's at least a modest amount for you as a carer. However she should be reassessed at least yearly. Not to make sure she's still ill but to help weed all the other knobs out of the system who are just taking the piss.

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The world is full of people that can't work, and there are people that won't work. For every genuine case there is a shirker who, if they made an effort, could actually do a few hours work a week thus putting something back into society and taking some pressure off the state.
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I reckon that's probably more accurate.
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The thing is that the job centres already have rules for job seekers (that you have to apply for X number of jobs in a given time to keep getting money) but completely fail to police it. They just can't be bothered.

There were some TV programs about it a few months ago where a bunch of claimers blatently admitted lying about job applications as they knew that no one would bother to check up on them...
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They're probably right though, is a completely new system required or just proper usage of the existing one? If the admin slackness is as endemic as mentioned then a new system will just cost a shit ton and makes no difference.
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Now they just need to announce that it will be contracted out to the private sector in order to maximise efficiencies, close down the DSS offices and get rid of the pointless losers that staff those and you are almost sorted.

I think the "not your GP making the hard decisions" is also ideal - contract that to private doctors too but with safe guard penalties for misdiagnosis.

Oh and the enforced fitting of the coil to prevent access to the other common workaround for those with one kid on benefits already would be ideal too. Can't see labour going for that one though....
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That would be awesome if there had been one single PPP where costs have been reduced and efficiency maximised.
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The thing is that the job centres already have rules for job seekers (that you have to apply for X number of jobs in a given time to keep getting money) but completely fail to police it. They just can't be bothered.

There were some TV programs about it a few months ago where a bunch of claimers blatently admitted lying about job applications as they knew that no one would bother to check up on them...
They don't give a shit. When I turned up to sign on the first time, I went equipped with a folder full of printouts of job applications I'd made to substantiate my claim. When I offered to show the woman she said she didn't need to see them...at that point it became apparent that all I had to do each week to secure my pittance was to make up the details of three jobs I'd applied for. The other thing that is of interest is that, while on the dole, you are not allowed to turn down an offer of employment. So, in the event that you actually get offered one of the jobs you apply for and then turn it down due to it being shit, they could stop your benefit. However, they don't police that either so ultimately it is incredibly easy to get jobseekers allowance for doing jackshit. I never put the details of the jobs that I was invited for interview for in case I turned them down and then got asked questions about it.

When I finally got a job (I say "finally", it was about a month after I started signing on) and went in to sign off they were like "oh...ok. Cheerio." No pat on the back or a "thanks for ceasing to be a burden to the state" certificate. Instead I got a P45 telling me I had to pay tax on the benefit I'd received. Cheers Gov.
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