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Old 21-Sep-2018, 12:31   #1711
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Maybe if we used a technology solution.
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Also, why there is still talk from some of a People's Vote is beyond me. Ignoring for a moment all the tired arguments for and against holding a second referendum, there's now bugger all time left to hold one.
Time’s not really the issue. It’s perfectly plausible March can be pushed back.
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In my view unrealistic; the March date is seared into the public's consciousness now - if there's no departure from the EU (in whatever form) by March there will need to be some movement in leadership. More likely is a deal that simply kicks the can down the road for future negotiation, or what's being referred to as a Blind Brexit.
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Kicking the can doesn't address the Irish backstop. The EU won't entertain a deal unless the UK first agrees that in the event of a no deal that there won't be a hard border.
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Take the fucking hint, Theresa!
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For what it’s worth she can’t make any concessions pre-conference, so this is all just going through the motions.
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EU have no intention of giving anything!
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Old 21-Sep-2018, 14:25   #1720
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There's always something that things simply cannot happen prior to isn't there. Pragmatism is fucking tedious.
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Old 21-Sep-2018, 14:37   #1721
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EU have no intention of giving anything!
That’s because they don’t need to.
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They do, but why would they give it up now when there’s a few more weeks to play this out.
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There's always something that things simply cannot happen prior to isn't there. Pragmatism is fucking tedious.
This is fair, but it is kind of the reality. A deal is going to get done at the last minute, so why have a drip drip of concessions for the next few weeks when you can just swallow them in one go further down the track.
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They don’t, they made their position quite clear 2 years ago.

The Tories have wasted 2 years with infighting and mud slinging.

Here we are, to no ones surprise at all.
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Look, it’s in their interest to have a functional Brexit, if that means conceding to UK customs officials conducting border checks 50miles inside the Irish Republic they’ll do it.
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Yep, this is just noise. There will be a deal in some vague form because it's in no one's interests for there not to be.
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So two years, few billion quid and the plan is still to simultaneously cross our fingers whilst shoving them in our ears. ggwp.
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Look, it’s in their interest to have a functional Brexit, if that means conceding to UK customs officials conducting border checks 50miles inside the Irish Republic they’ll do it.
The meaning of a functional Brexit is vastly different from the British and the EU27s point of view. There's next to no incentive for the EU27 to do Britain any favours that would help us make a success of independence. The only realistic scenario remains some form of continuing to take bullshit from Brussels without any longer having a say in what bullshit is generated.
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I think that’s too binary an interpretation but I do agree the EU is walking a tightrope between avoiding economic harm and discouraging other potential leavers.
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So it's not in their interest to have a functional Brexit.
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Functional yes, better than Remaining no.
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discouraging other potential leavers.
This what it ultimately boils down to, isn't it.
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I think so. The EU27 is clearly in the much stronger negotiating position, but there’ll be consequences to them from having a hard Brexit (especially in Ireland) that they need to balance against encouraging other populist movements across Europe over the next 20 years.
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Orange is right, it's in the EU's interest to enable the UK to leave as it maintains democracy and demonstrates goodwill. It's simultaneously not in their interest to give us a deal that in trade terms at least, is as good/better than remaining.
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Tusk:Brexit compromise still possible.

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Enables democracy, sh0cked?
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He said: “It is an honour to join the Defra ministerial team at such an important time. I am determined to ensure that we fully realise the opportunities of leaving the EU.

OPPORTUNITIES!!!! YOU HAVE JUST BEEN APPOINTED MINISTER OF NOT RUNNING OUT OF FUCKING FOOD YOU C**T


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Boris seems to have a very different concept of "a collective failure of government" to mine.
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This is spot on from Big Phil and sums up the Hard Brexiteers.

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