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Old 04-Apr-2018, 14:36   #1
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Man arrested for killing burglar

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

I wonder how this will pan out...

I'll wait for the burglar's family members to sue the guy for loss of earnings!
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Did he shoot him twice in the back as he was running away?
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number of stabs will be key, vigorous self defence is frowned upon
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Oh well tough shit don't break into others people property. Mate of mines wife stumbled onto burglars when she came home with her baby, one of the cunts held a knife to her throat while they finished robbing the place.
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Castle Doctrine is a zero sum game. The homeowner has to be arrested as a matter of course, but I still hope he is charged. The jury must decide what is 'reasonable self defence'.
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I don't think he should be charged, he wouldn't be in this position if the two burglar's hadn't tried to rob him!
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The jury must decide what is 'reasonable self defence'.
No, the CPS must decide if it's in the public interest to prosecute.
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There is such a thing as proportionality in self defence and unless he was being similarly threatened/injured then it is going to be difficult to argue that stabbing to death is proportional.
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I know nothing about the case but I predict a lot of voicing of opinions on matters entirely uninformed by the facts of the case, facts which will ultimately be the deciding factor on whether he’s prosecuted and whether he’s found guilty.
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No, the CPS must decide if it's in the public interest to prosecute.
Well, clever clogs, if they've already been 'charged', then the public interest bit has already been decided as part of the charging process. So That bit was already taken as read. Not going to discuss that further.

Orange has the most realistic take on it, however. From my lofty perch, charge the fucker for murder to discourage a frankly scary potential arms race.
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Sorry, I misunderstood. So you hope the poor old sod, who just had his home invaded and killed someone, has to suffer the stress of a full trial? For what purpose? To discourage some mythological "arms race"? Madness.
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Wasn't one of (those c**ts) the tories promises to remove limits on force used in your own home in the last GE?
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Last time I looked, killing someone was a crime. As mentioned, was it reasonable force?

For the record, I don't really think he should be put through a trial, but it needs to happen. You can't go letting people off for killing others, even if it was an accident.
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Last time I looked, killing someone was a crime. As mentioned, was it reasonable force?

For the record, I don't really think he should be put through a trial, but it needs to happen. You can't go letting people off for killing others, even if it was an accident.
Aye this. So long as the evidence is strong and the circumstances considered fully then there should be appropriate leniency applied when the sentence is passed.
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Itís also impossible to form any judgement here without knowledge of the facts.
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all sage words - the arrest is most likely procedure more than anything. However, in the same light - you are allowed to defend yourself if you feel under threat and lets be honest here, we aren't talking about a "scrapper" who found himself outnumbered 2 to 1..

It was an old guy taken by surprise and apparently made to fear for his life - in the heat of the moment, often the lines about what is right / wrong / up to you to decide get blurred.

On the flip side someone on trickery years back said they'd been told by a copper that wounds on the back of an assailant are hard to justify as being defensive on your part.... perhaps the dead guy was stabbed in the back?

Who knows - until we know more this is all just hearsay. Maybe the old guy was ex armed forces and knew the best places to stick someone... maybe he didn't know jack and just seized a chance when surrounded and got a lucky strike in.

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But... I have to agree with others - you break into someones house don't fuckin complain if shit comes your away. In some respects the US law on this very subject is spot on...
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tl;dr

I don't know the facts of the case, but there's one thing I'm certain of; It's going to get the BNP/Britun Furst/Daily Mail crowd frothing at the mouth.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was a battle scarred veteran of the Crusades/WW1/WW2/Falklands, defending the Holy Grail from mulumist terrorist chavs.
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Reasonable force is what you're allowed to use to defend yourself/your property. If he was sat on top of the guy playing whack-a-mole with a knife then he's fucked. If he had one or two stabs in self-defence and hit somewhere vital he might get away with time served cos it'll probably take months for it to come to trial.
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He's already out on bail.
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Not really a flight risk!
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No further action, apparently.
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like I said - purely procedure - they had to arrest him but it was just a formality thing most likely.

Next we'll get the dead guys family claiming he wouldn't hurt a fly, let down by the po po, we rights for this/that. Maybe I'm a little cold on the subject but then I've had to deal with these fucking cunts first hand at 3am breaking into my house so i kind of know the rage the guy must have been in.
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