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Old 08-Jan-2015, 12:47   #31
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I suspect escape isn't on their mind anyway - they probably just want to cause as much chaos and kill as many as they can before they're stopped.
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I suspect escape isn't on their mind anyway - they probably just want to cause as much chaos and kill as many as they can before they're stopped.
They could have done that in the middle of Paris.
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Nick Clegg's statement on this today was amazing for its complete lack of awareness - apparently we have no right to be offended and are free to offend one another. Except that in this country of course we aren't, if the public sentiment at that time deems it to be offensive. Some free speech is apparently more free than others.
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It's not exactly north korea here is it unless you're referring to celebrity/political gaffs and their entirely commercial/political punishments.
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No I'm talking about criminalising offensive (sometimes deeply offensive) statements. I don't think you will need to look too far to see examples. To simplify my point: proclaiming free speech when it comes to cartoons you don't care about and then lambasting it when it's something that deeply offends you is incendiary.
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Really? Various social media postings over the last few years (I'm sure there was a chap attested recently for the Glasgow incident), tenuously defined hate speech against sex, race or religion. We've basically adopted a policy of group think.
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Some of the Abu Hamza convictions under the public order act seemed quite iffy with regards to free speech at the time, and were stupid considering they had him bang to rights elsewhere.

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comme...day_is/cnidb7k

Worth a read for a moderate Muslim's point of view on all the Mohammed cartoonery that has appeared in the wake of this act. I find his position quite sympathetic tbh.
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Yeah I read about the guy from Glasgow - and was surprised at the time you could be arrested for something like that. I don't really see how drawing offensive cartoons of Mohammed is so different to making a poorly timed joke about an accident.

There does seem to be a case of double standards here.
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Suspects surrounded in a printing complex, they've taken hostages. This could be messy...
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Well, the fugitives have said they're prepared to die. They'll get cool points amongst their fraternity for getting taken out by a tank!
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New shooting and hostage situation at kosher shop in Paris.
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To return to the freedom of speech debate for a bit:

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The freedom of speech subject was touched upon on Question Time last night.
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Good luck to the assault force and may they shoot true and straight. Put these fuckers in the ground lads.
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Yeah the glasgow cunt is a good shout. Were charges eventually raised?
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Women and children taken hostage in the Jewish store.
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doubt it, police hopefully had a look, thought silly bint and just said that to get people off their back and wait for the furore to die down
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That's exactly what they want, capturing them and putting them through the justice system would be better... not going to happen though.
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Reports of another incident near the Eiffel Tower.
Now confirmed as a false alarm.

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Some of the Abu Hamza convictions under the public order act seemed quite iffy with regards to free speech at the time, and were stupid considering they had him bang to rights elsewhere.

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comme...day_is/cnidb7k

Worth a read for a moderate Muslim's point of view on all the Mohammed cartoonery that has appeared in the wake of this act. I find his position quite sympathetic tbh.
And like every last moderate muslim you'll find, getting him to admit that majority swathes of his observant religion are medieval shitheads is like getting blood from a stone. Islam may have moderates, but it's also the largest bastion of gender slavery and misogeny on earth and deserves an according lack of respect until it isn't any more.
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And the supposedly secular Western society (which in reality is still largely influenced by Christian 'values' going back to our medieval roots as crusaders) is responsible for far more deaths than all the Islamic nations, has state sponsored torture, war crimes by leaders of supposedly developed nations left unpunished, has governments breaking its own laws to supposedly protect our freedoms, and an untouchable oligarchy at the top who live above the law.

I'm not saying Islam doesn't have it's dickheads but I'd say that arguing we are any better as a societal whole is purely subjective as to whether extreme gender discrimination etc is considered worse than killing for oil.

It's also well worth noting that since the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism against the West has increased significantly; we reap what we as a society sow.
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I would absolutely disagree that any violence we as Europe or the US have perpetrated has a damn thing to do with religion. If he was complaining about being mocked for his nationality I'd be with you. He's asking why Islam is in for a pisstake from the largely post-observant world. There are clear reasons why.

Could be worse anyway, he could be getting shot at or beheaded.
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