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Old 09-Jan-2015, 17:05   #61
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It's also well worth noting that since the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism against the West has increased significantly; we reap what we as a society sow.
Much as it feels like a convenient position to hold - I've not made my mind up that it's the case. Not ever sure what metric to go by. If it's bodycount then the plane hyjacks and bombings of old are probably still miles ahead.

Specifically in France, they've had a pot boiling in the banlieues for decades. Islamism as an output might as well be black power or punk.
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Much as it feels like a convenient position to hold - I've not made my mind up that it's the case. Not ever sure what metric to go by. If it's bodycount then the plane hyjacks and bombings of old are probably still miles ahead.

Specifically in France, they've had a pot boiling in the banlieues for decades. Islamism as an output might as well be black power or punk.
http://www.counterfire.org/articles/...t-of-terrorism

Figure 1. See the spike in 2001 for 9/11 and then the rise after the wars started. Body count is much higher in Iraq itself than it is in the Western world also.
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Figure 1. See the spike in 2001 for 9/11 and then the rise after the wars started. Body count is much higher in Iraq itself than it is in the Western world also.
Not obvious to me that this data supports the claim that attacks against the West have increased, in fact quite a lot of the qualitative commentary references attacks in Muslim countries.
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Looks like it's all over.. 4 hostages reported dead (Reuters quoting police reports)
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Not obvious to me that this data supports the claim that attacks against the West have increased, in fact quite a lot of the qualitative commentary references attacks in Muslim countries.
Their targets are the occupying Western forces though.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/...pation-stupid/
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I can't see anything about 4 hostages being dead on Reuters?

Anyhoo, good job French police I guess.

Edit: ah ok now I see it. :-(
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Their targets are the occupying Western forces though.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/...pation-stupid/
That still isn't a terrorist attack by any description that makes sense to me. Attacks against civilians are virtually unheard off, and indeed without 9/11's success the figures would be insignificant.
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Eeesh going to be hell to pay if theres any organisation behind them all.
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Yemen is going to get bombed to shit

http://rt.com/news/221295-alqaeda-yemen-claim-charlie/

To be fair I know it RT.com but they have been first out with all the info and been pretty damned accurate during the whole affair
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044

Police shooting the shit out of the supermarket terrorist.
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News commentators were discussing whether the 4 hostages were dead before the police went in or were caught in cross fire. You can certainly see one hostage flat on the floor at the front as the shutter raises.
Quite impressed they showed that on the TV news.
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Thinks it's been confirmed that the twat killed four when he entered ( he confessed to the news network he phoned)
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It seems that Anonymous don't like what these fuckwits have done either - the gloves are off.
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"While it is still too early to reach a definitive conclusion on which organisation, if any, was behind the Paris attacks, the most likely explanation at this stage is that despite the connections with global jihadist networks this was primarily the work of the three individuals themselves, helped by accomplices still being sought, all done with the encouragement, possibly funding, but little direction from al-Qaeda and IS leaderships in Pakistan, Yemen or Syria."

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Charlie Hebdo published a new magazine today. With a 3 million print run (rather than the normal 60k). Here's what the front cover looks like.

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Thing is eja all the guys involved in those attacks were VERY used to weapons handling, that takes training.

Who trained them?
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Everyone knows that these people train on the murder simulator called Counter Strike, Well everyone apart from Devs because he got banned for being a cheating cunt
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lots of shooting, lots of shouting, a bit of ranting, all went horribly wrong for them.

goose or ashen clearly until you realise those people also had procured significant firepower, something 99% of most people couldn't obtain and wouldn't know where to start to look.

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Was it not already established that they went to Syria for training?
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No. He's talking shit in lieu of bothering to read a page or two about it. Afaik just one of the shooters is confirmed as having even been abroad, the elder brother.

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Fair enough. I guess his (the 2 brother's) attack was the most obviously organised attack where apparently they fell back and used covering fire in a trained manner.
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They were using covering fire against unarmed officers and passersby so I'm not sure it required much work. Either way it's still a grim example of how much damage even a couple of doomed chavs can cause with a couple of illegal weapons and a grudge.
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in the video here it does look like one of the guys isn't sure about how his weapon operates and the other does something to it for him backing up the idea that only one was properly trained which was all they needed for their plan
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Looks like he was setting the fire selector to full auto for him.
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Looks more like the klutzy fuck couldn't unclip it from his own rig. Perhaps his obligatory jihadist issue balaclava was obscuring his sight.
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