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Old 25-Sep-2015, 21:54   #361
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In total 66,980 households were living in temporary accommodation on June 30, a rise of 12% on the same day last year.
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Old 25-Sep-2015, 22:04   #362
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You'd like to think its a number that we were capable of reducing instead of increasing though wouldn't you.
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Not without cost, no, especially while changing a key piece of housing legislaion
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Sorry, that sounds way too blaze. I simply think the 40% stat isn't what it first appears and I'm really responding to this being in the "Corbyn" thread, I don't think it's a strong argument for voting Corbyn. Maybe this thread turns into the "bad things the stories have done and bad things Corbyn has done" until Corbyn gets the boot.
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Anyone else finding it amusing that, in his first Labour conference speech, Corbyn is feeling the need to reaffirm that he does in fact Love this country?

I also find it amusing that he feels the need to tell everyone that the majority of people do actually agree with his point of view... surely the majority of us already know this and don't need to be told?

I wonder when, in history, a major party leader in their first speech at their first conference has felt the need to confirm those two points.
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No it's fucking embarrassing for the entire country how many people assume he, or anyone else doesn't based off the back of near fictional anger button headlines. Next question?
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I think the guys a tool... but I never once read a headline and thought he didn't Love this country.
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I take it you missed all the bollocks about him not singing the anthem then?
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I also find it amusing that he feels the need to tell everyone that the majority of people do actually agree with his point of view... surely the majority of us already know this and don't need to be told?
Sure, in an ideal world this would be the case. However the word "socialism" has become somewhat of a dirty word. The right wing press has done, frankly, a superb job of equating it with communism and/or marxism. Obviously, the more enlightened amongst us know that is complete and utter bollocks, but the wider public believe it. Despite holding somewhat socialist views, much of the public prefer to believe their views are capitalistic instead.

I didnt actually see this, but I was told that The One Show did a piece a while back where they got Gyles Brandreth to ask members of the public if they agreed with certain policies, without telling them that these policies were classified as socialist. When the public agreed with them, they were told that they were "a secret socialist" and their reactions were that of horror.
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That headline is really poor journalism.

What is his actual tax proposal on the "middle classes"?
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The telegraph has gone massively downhill since the barcley brothers took ownership. I wouldn't pay much attention to what's written in it. Which is a shame, as it used to be reliable.
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It's the standard Telegraph line in anything inheritance tax related. Oborne, while a terrible bore, wrote a great article about why he left the Telegraph after a few HSBC pieces were spiked.
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That said, if their plan to close the deficit relies on collecting 20bn in "uncollected tax" (they won't) and they're going to cap the top rate at 50%, the gap is going to have to come from somewhere...
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The infamous magic money tree. The reality is that any substantial revenue figured bandied about will ultimately be raised from middle income earners.
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Hey if the tories can use that tree to fund Trident I don't see why it can't be used for other things instead.
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Trident's happening, if they're assuming there's another 100bn available then their plans are really skewed.
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You asked what their plan to close the deficit is. Are you talking about what they'll do now in theory or what they'll do notionally in a theoretical first term? They've not been all that quiet about wanting to reduce defence spending thus far have they. There's your answer at least in part. Spank a fucks sight less money ensuring we can destroy 60% of the world in under two hours.

*Actually correction. You didn't ask. You said they intended to do it via recouping lost taxes then implied they were idiots for doing so.
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If their plan to close the deficit relies on (a) finding 20bn in uncollected taxes; (b) using the 100bn that'll be committed to Trident by both Labour and the Tories, then their sums are wrong.
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So forgive my noobness but just to be clear, the deficit is basically a credit card bill right? We need to immediately fund closure of the gap using immediately available revenue streams.
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The trident total cost over what 20 years might be 100bn, but at 5bn a year its an irrelevance fiscally and a trivial cost for its benefits (60 years must be a records for no direct wars between any major powers)

on the same basis the NHS costs 3tn over the same period, as will pensions.
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Your mistrust for left wing old farts is apparently matched in scale by your trust in defence projects to deliver on budget!
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true but I assume we are buying the launch system off the yanks again which will generally stop the incremental cost to UK going nuts (the US will take the development costs with most of the overruns)

I also put great value in being able to reduce practically any nation to glass
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So forgive my noobness but just to be clear, the deficit is basically a credit card bill right? We need to immediately fund closure of the gap using immediately available revenue streams.
The deficit is how much the government spends each year less what it collects, the national debt is basically the cumulative net deficit over the course of history. To stretch the analogy, the credit card bill / balance is the national debt, an how much you add / payoff from the bill is the deficit / surplus.
The distinction isn't helped by politicians using phrases like "paying off the deficit", but maybe I'm just being pedantic.

The Tories have committed to eliminate the deficit by 2020, McDonnell has said they'll do the same but excluding infrastructure payments (which is a debatable as a policy but hardly the stuff of financial recklessness).

Labour are saying they'd commit to maintain that going forward, so presumably that'll apply in 2020 when they're outlining their economic plan. We can't reasonably expect them (or anyone else) to know what that plan will look like, but I can say with confidence that they won't be able to find 20bn in uncollected tax. McDonnell has said that's part of his plan (albeit subject to what looks like being one of an endless series of reviews), so I'll say today that there's a 20bn hole and if they're not prepared to raise the top rate above 50% it's going to have to come from somewhere.
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Also true to say that Police are already seeing a retention drop due to having to extend probationary roles out from two years to five years to make up for the intake freeze.
Burnham looking to fix this by taking another 5-10% out of the policing budget, but what does Jezza think?

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If the public spending shortfall is as acute as you say, I suppose noone can avoid a run in with the APCC etc. Burnham protecting "what we've got" will likely be seen as just plastering over an already underfunded force. Does that imply they'll reverse the recruitment freeze I wonder - assuming they can recruit in budget?
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The current deficit is insane (100bn a year or 25% of the total spending roughly)

Which is why I laugh at all mention of austerity, austerity in the UK is merely the slow down in the rate of growth of out of control government spending Also in effect that level of deficit adds about 15% to the effective top rates of tax

On a more amusing note - it seems Mr Corbyn doesn't quite understand "deterrent" anyway...

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If the public spending shortfall is as acute as you say, I suppose noone can avoid a run in with the APCC etc. Burnham protecting "what we've got" will likely be seen as just plastering over an already underfunded force. Does that imply they'll reverse the recruitment freeze I wonder - assuming they can recruit in budget?
I don't think I'd describe it as acute and Burnham's 5-10% cut probably makes very little difference in any event so I wonder why he'd offer that today given the overall Corbyn anti-austerity platform. Given the unwillingness to be pinned down on anything else it seems like an odd point to be specific on.

I guess I'm making a slightly different point about how Labour articulates a position with this democratic approach to policy making. Today's falling out over Trident means that instead of talking about all that Labour want's to achieve, even the BBC and the Guardian are talking about leading with Eagle's "unhelpful" statement. I just clicked on the Guardian live feed to find them reporting on Corbyn's having to reject the idea he would have to resign if Labour backed Trident. What? We're a couple of weeks in and we're talking about resigning, it's crazy.
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In fact, I just read his response and he's refusing to say he wouldn't resign and instead describing it as a hypothetical question. Whether or not you think he's right, it cannot possibly be helpful to the cause to have this as the focal point of the debate? We're not even talking about whether Trident is a good idea or not.
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On the positive, I found out that one of situations under which nuclear weapons could be deployed is if Radio 4 can no longer be heard (signalling that the UK is no longer a functioning state). I like the Today programme, but that seems a little extreme.
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