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Old 17-Jul-2018, 19:09   #1471
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The FT have started talking about a "Mad Max" Brexit.
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I suppose a Stupid Boris Brexit isn't so catchy.
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The government won the vote tonight on Customs, 307 to 301, with 4 Labour MPs backing the government. The government did lose the vote on medicines.
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It turns out that the Tory MP who was paired with Jo Swinson while she's on maternity leave and who wasn't supposed to vote, did in fact vote on today's issues. Oops.
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The government won the vote tonight on Customs, 307 to 301, with 4 Labour MPs backing the government. The government did lose the vote on medicines.
Was reading this last night, and as a Labour voter, it really annoyed me!

Well-placed Tory source. : "If Labour rebels hadn't stepped in tonight, we would have pulled 3rd reading, confidence vote tomorrow, GE vote in two weeks."
That's what our 12 Remain MPs did tonight and I don't think they even understood the consequence of their actions
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Kate Hoey has been appalling. No idea why she still has the Labour whip. Her constituency is overwhelmingly remain.
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I think it's fairly clear Labour MPs don't give a hoot how their constituents voted in the referendum.
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Kate Hoey has been appalling. No idea why she still has the Labour whip. Her constituency is overwhelmingly remain.
Although they re-elected her in 2017 knowing she was a Brexiteer.
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True although prancing about with Farage on a fishing boat was probably not the best look. An old classmate was the runner-up in that election who ran on a pro-EU platform and increased the Lib Dem vote by over 10%.
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Good for him, but she still won by almost 40pts. Tribalism is alive and well.
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Another vacuous and empty speech from Boris.
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"Developers turn to corporate landlords who generally purchase at a steep discount", for non-subscribers to google.
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Pro Tip: You can use archive.is to get round the sub link.

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Brexit blueprint from Chequers breaches EU core principles, declares Barnier.

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Theresa May was warned by Michel Barnier last night that her Chequers blueprint for Brexit breached “fundamental” European principles and that she would need to make further concessions to reach a deal.

In pointed remarks before his first meeting with Dominic Raab, the new Brexit secretary, the EU’s chief negotiator said that any deal would have to “respect” the integrity of Europe’s single market. He said that it would be a “challenge” to find common ground between the fundamental principles that defined the EU and the UK’s white paper.

His comments come as European ministers meet today in Brussels for the first time to discuss the white paper.

Privately Mr Barnier is understood to be “unimpressed” by the document, claiming that it failed to set out significant new ground to address EU concerns that the UK was “cherry-picking” market access.

“This goes to the integrity of the single market and the incompatibility of white paper ideas with that,” a senior EU source said. “It seems that there is deep misunderstanding in some parts of the UK that the EU could bargain on its founding principles. Member states feel strongly about the UK asking for changes to the way in which the single market works. There cannot be give and take on that.”

EU ministers meeting today are likely to be diplomatic in their public comments about the white paper for fear of further destabilising the prime minister.

However, Mrs May was warned last night by one of her remaining Brexit-supporting cabinet ministers that there was no more scope for compromise domestically. Andrea Leadsom, leader of the Commons, suggested in an interview with the House magazine that if the EU demanded further concessions it would inevitably result in a no-deal Brexit.

“The EU has simply not taken us seriously so far in terms of the future agreement,” she said. “What this deal does is it says to them, ‘Right, now we can have a free trading area where there won’t be the need for border checks and controls’. The message to the EU has to be, ‘This is the final offer’.

“If they don’t accept it, we’re also ramping up our no-deal preparations. That’s where we will be heading and they will have forced us to do that. My message to the EU is, ‘Take this seriously because otherwise you’re forcing us down the road of no deal’.”

In his remarks before meeting Mr Raab, Mr Barnier pointedly raised the lack of time available.

“We have a lot of work to do with our teams,” he said. “There are 13 weeks left before the October European Council. Within this short time we must finalise the withdrawal agreement and we are not yet there. We must also declare a political declaration on our future relationship.”

He made clear that the European commission’s priority was to get the Northern Irish backstop agreed before the future relationship and made clear that the EU had significant concerns about the proposals in the white paper.

“The EU proposed in March an unprecedented partnership. Not just on economics and trade, where we want an ambitious free-trade agreement that respects the integrity of the single market, but also on internal and external security, where a close partnership between us is more important than ever. Our challenge will be to find common ground between the fundamental principles that define the EU and the UK’s position.”

Mr Raab struck a more upbeat tone after meeting Mr Barnier, describing it as a “very good, constructive conversation”. He said that he wanted negotiation to intensify over the summer, with Britain rejecting a commission suggestion of a two-week break in August.

“We’ve only got 12 weeks really left to nail down the details of the agreement, so I set out our proposals, and offered to meet with Michel Barnier throughout the summer to intensify negotiations, to get some energy, get some drive and get some heat on them to make sure we can conclude this agreement in good time,” he said. “I’m sure in good faith, if that energy and that ambition is reciprocated, as I’m confident it will be, we will get there.”

Meanwhile it emerged that British officials had made a number of mistakes translating the white paper into other European languages as part of an EU-wide charm offensive — and failed to translate it into Gaelic at all.

According to the EurActiv website, the Estonian and Finnish version misspelt “Estonia” and “Finland” and the French version risked outright offence by translating “principled Brexit” as “un Brexit vertueux” which suggests that Brexit is a moral good. The Daily Telegraph reported that the German version invented compound verbs while the Dutch version was described in a leading newspaper as reading like something put through the “cheapest available” translation software.
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Wow I’m completely surprised. So shocked in fact I cannot pick my mouth off the floor. Absolutely no one could have predicted that.
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Something tells me no-one in this government is interested in getting any kind of deal, I think they've decided on a no-deal exit since the start. They just seem to be going through the motions.
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Everyone wants a deal, the hard Brexiteers just believe they can negotiate an as yet undefined better deal by threatening a no deal Brexit. It’s nonsense of course because no one takes seriously the possibility that British politicians will vote for self-immolation.
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Where? Brexiteers banging on about no deal and asking for something better, and the EU treating it with the contempt it deserves?
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Pretty much the most accurate thing said in this thread, tbh
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Cynical me has absolutely no doubt that JRM will allow a no deal brexit as long as he thinks he can pin it on May.
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It’s not up to him though, so he’s free to bang on about it safe in the knowledge that no Parliament will ever let that happen. It’s like all these dickheads on the internet banging on with hardline positions on things that will never happen. Granted a no deal Brexit is not impossible in the way tha a return to the gold standard is.
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Oh indeed. More a point that no price is too high to pay for ideology.
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I’d go further than that - there is no price to pay, he’s free to say whatever he likes because it’ll never happen, and a nation of Minford types who never have to worry about whether the ATMs will function on April 1st 2019 get to hold another grievance for 40 years, moaning on Facebook (in between Free Tommy posts) about how this was the wrong kind of Brexit.
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I don't share your faith Orange. What you're saying makes sense, but it's the same thing as "we'll never vote for Brexit, that would be retarded" yet here we are. You're relying on people putting common sense and the good of the country above party and personal self promotion.
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Cynical me has no doubt heíll allow a no deal Brexit as he stands to profit from the fallout.
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I don't share your faith Orange. What you're saying makes sense, but it's the same thing as "we'll never vote for Brexit, that would be retarded" yet here we are. You're relying on people putting common sense and the good of the country above party and personal self promotion.
Iíll definitely conceed that I had similar expectations with Brexit, but Iíd draw two distinctions. First, itís a decision made, if not by experts, at least MPs who for the most part are not fucking lunatics. Second, if it becomes clear that no deal is a likely scenario, Sterling will hit the floor (again) and the cliff edge is going to be that much more obvious.
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