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Old 17-Jul-2018, 11:52   #211
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I do wonder why any criticism of the US medirape system always results in a load of NHS whataboutery as opposed to any of the other provisioning setups than it's demonstrably shitter than. Or even why it doesn't remain a conversation about the US medirape system alone.
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Old 17-Jul-2018, 11:53   #212
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Also it could be argued that resultant healthcare costs are a fairly important component of being shot with a gun by some lunatic. Kinda sucks to be shot, losing your savings or house when the bill arrives can't help much.
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Old 17-Jul-2018, 11:54   #213
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Ok, then I’m not sure where we’re going with this, or how we even started. I don’t think the SBC bit with Bernie really made any points other than the slightly awkward feeling that comes from watching someone being subjected to bullshit followed by the relief of him coming out the side looking like a good guy.

Edit: Osrry, was a reply to your earlier comment about it being a US observation, looks like it’s moved on.
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Old 17-Jul-2018, 11:59   #214
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I do wonder why any criticism of the US medirape system always results in a load of NHS whataboutery as opposed to any of the other provisioning setups than it's demonstrably shitter than. Or even why it doesn't remain a conversation about the US medirape system alone.
I think that swings both ways and for a lot of people any suggestion of change in the NHS results in a load of shouting about how anyone who advocates for change wants to sell it off or convert it to a US system.

As for why it never stays a purely US conversation, I guess it’s hard for Brits not to make domestic comparisons. Overall I wish it was a bit less binary.
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Because people not calling an ambulance because they can't afford the costs is often an example that is banded around when any discussion about healthcare surfaces, as if there's only two extremes - fully capitalised or fully socialised healthcare.

The US has its deficiencies, but it's also remarkably effective in some areas and has access to far better (and more expensive) drugs and treatments, is proactive rather than reactive (i.e. it prevents better) and treats patients far quicker. Of course this all comes at a cost.
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Yep, as Orange has just said.
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Of course there's a price. However it appears to be entirely disproportionate to the cost of care. The profits in the US are eyewatering. Let's not pretend these services are tirelessly pushing care over the top and walking away with nothing. Aren't the US trying to legislate a price fix out of Pfizer?
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Also, I have no idea how to measure the success of reactivity against the now mammoth cost of opiate self overprescription, or obesity, or etc.
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My care is entirely based on a proactive approach, as are plenty of other illnesses, so I'm not sure that point stands up to scrutiny.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-re...-mass-shooting

OK BACK ON TOPIC THEN. To preempt lawsuits (presumably in part from insurers recouping their totally reasonable medical bills) MGM is suing the people that got shot at the start of this thread.

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My care is entirely based on a proactive approach, as are plenty of other illnesses, so I'm not sure that point stands up to scrutiny.
I think itís a much more complex issue, but thereís been a clear lack of integration between social and primary care that impacts on demand at the front door. Kaiserís been doing this for almost 100 years (tip of the triangle and all that) and has been a model for whatís now clearly on the agenda in the UK as well (although unpicking the politics is obviously incredibly difficult).
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that'll teach them to try to get shot; fucking mexicans
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OK BACK ON TOPIC THEN. To preempt lawsuits (presumably in part from insurers recouping their totally reasonable medical bills) MGM is suing the people that got shot at the start of this thread.

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No they are not. MGM are filing a defence that says they are not liable for the shooting. Completely different, they are not sueing the victims. To clarify, MGM are seeking Federall protection, rather than defend the claims multiple times in various States under local State Tort Liability.

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"MGM says a 2002 federal act, protecting companies that use “anti terrorism” technology or services from liability, shields them from legal action, since the security company they used at the festival had been certified by the Department of Homeland Security. It’s asking the judge to decide if that act is applicable."

Which is......OK? Let's be clear, in a conversation about injury and medical costs, the reason they absolutely have 1000 individual cases to answer is because the insurers of those people will insist upon a suit.
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"MGM says a 2002 federal act, protecting companies that use ďanti terrorismĒ technology or services from liability, shields them from legal action, since the security company they used at the festival had been certified by the Department of Homeland Security. Itís asking the judge to decide if that act is applicable."

Which is......OK? Let's be clear, in a conversation about injury and medical costs, the reason they absolutely have 1000 individual cases to answer is because the insurers of those people will insist upon a suit.
It's not OK, but it's not the headline 'MGM sues vicitms for being shot either'. So the question is do you think the Hotel should be liable for the shooting?
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In a normal country I'd expect a hotel to have measures to stop someone hoarding 28 guns and two thousand rounds of armour piercing ammo into a room and spending five minutes unloading them into a crowd without being challenged by one of hundreds of (DHS certified) armed security agents but we're not talking about a normal country are we so lord knows.

I'm not trying to make a point about the hotels liability, I'm making a point about healthcare costs being so unjustifiably broken that people have zero recourse other than shameless litigation in order to cover them. This is not a communist single payer rant of the sort that andy insinuated. Hybrid models are desirable, however the US model remains utterly indefensible given the soaring profits being leeched out of the process by legal and supplier.
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I should say, utterly indefensible by me. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to defend a 5000 quid ambulance pickup.
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It's not OK, but it's not the headline 'MGM sues vicitms for being shot either'. So the question is do you think the Hotel should be liable for the shooting?
Actually they are suing them. They aren't after money, but they are still suing them saying they have no liability. They are the plantiff, the victims are the defendants.

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