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Old 23-Aug-2017, 09:11   #661
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More talk of subverting the court and pardoning that fascist fuckwit Arpaio as well.
The problem is, the more ridiculous his proclamations become, the more his followers lap it up.

If he promised to deport every non-aryan to the moon, the rednecks would just blame any failure on 'bama or the media.
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I assume, from a point of zero knowledge, that you can't kick out a President because he's an idiot. He was voted in democratically, after all.

I assume that impeachment requires criminal activity....
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Nope. If his idiocy dishonours the office of president, or brings it into disrepute, that is grounds for impeachment.

Not sure it's ever led to the removal of a sitting pres' though, but I'm at work and I cba to look it up.
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It hasn't. Dishonor doesn't come into it.
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I've banged on about it for a while, thinking it was quite a simple process, so figured I'd educate myself about it:

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Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."
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According to constitutional lawyers, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" are (1) real criminality -- breaking a law; (2) abuses of power; (3) "violation of public trust" as defined by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers. In 1970, then-Representative Gerald R. Ford defined impeachable offenses as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."
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IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
  • The House Judiciary Committee decides whether or not to proceed with impeachment. If they do...
  • The Chairman of the Judiciary Committee will propose a resolution calling for the Judiciary Committee to begin a formal inquiry into the issue of impeachment.
  • Based on their inquiry, the Judiciary Committee will send another resolution composed of one or more "Articles of Impeachment" to the full House stating that impeachment is warranted and why or that impeachment is not called for.
  • The Full House (probably operating under special floor rules set by the House Rules Committee) will debate and vote on each Article of Impeachment.
  • Should any one of the Articles of Impeachment be approved by a simple majority vote, the President will be "impeached." However, being impeached is sort of like being indicted of a crime. The president will remain in office pending the outcome of the Senate impeachment trial.

IN THE SENATE
  • The Articles of Impeachment are received from the House.
  • The Senate formulates rules and procedures for holding a trial.
  • The trial will be held with the president represented by his lawyers. A select group of House members serves as "prosecutors." The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (currently John G. Roberts) presides with all 100 Senators acting as the jury.
  • The Senate meets in private session to debate a verdict.
  • The Senate, in open session, votes on a verdict. A 2/3 supermajority vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.
  • The Senate will vote to remove the President from office.
  • The Senate may also vote (by a simple majority) to prohibit the President from holding any public office in the future.
So let's look at the Judiciary Committee - chaired by Bob Goodlatte (R):
https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-conte...ed-7-12-17.pdf

Republicans hold a 7 member majority. Where is gets tricky is whom in that majority Trump has pissed off. That's just to get the sodding ball rolling. The Republicans also hold an overall majority, 240/194.

The Senate (to complete 'Congress') is also Republican controlled (R/D/I 54/46/2), although as we've seen the head honcho, Mitch McConnell seems a bit down on Don at the moment.

The odds are stacked against it - but it seems if you're really interested in gauging potential, to watch who on the Judiciary Committee is still on Trump's side. Clearly there will also be horse-trading, but interesting none-the-less.

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There is no fucking way Republicans will vote to impeach without a crime (and I think it'd need to be something more than tax issues in his real estate business from a decade ago or more).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States

Right now, the GOP is so desperate to cling on they wouldn't let their majority pass this process even if Trump was having a go on their daughters each night. It makes primary races like Flake vs Ward interesting though - does Trump punish the disobedient GOP by supporting outsider candidates like Ward at the risk of throwing the whole seat to the Dems and eroding that majority?
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There is no fucking way Republicans will vote to impeach without a crime
I'm not sure if I agree with that. If he starts actively going after their seats by way of proxy candidates I think they'll defend themselves and do so sooner in the term rather than later.
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Yeah we'll see, but they've been a bunch of spineless twats so far.
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Granted, but until GOPcare he hadn't cost them anything. Talk of closing the country down in petulance unless they fund the wall? It can't go on after recess.
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Yeah, that would really be something. Staggering in fact.
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Stop starting posts with "Yeah" or "I dunno".
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Stop starting posts with "Yeah" or "I dunno".
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That was the point, yes.
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That was the point, yes.
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I dunno, yes seemed like a better choice than yeah.
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...ite_info_grab/

White House backtracks whiffy web request.
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Ex-US Science Envoy throws not-so-subtle impeachment hat into the ring.

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@Orange This business about the debt ceiling. If the treasury does miss a payment, will the effects be as bad as predicted?
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Yes. Next question?
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I wonder how important a solar border wall is going to be to Texas come Monday. Looking utterly grim. Two feet of water? Makes Katrina look tame.
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About as useful as all that Coal. All that saved paper from pulling out of Paris. All those extra border guards.

God that ginger toupé cunt is really pissing me off.
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Well he's got a real problem to handle here. At least he hasn't had time to put a family member in charge of FEMA.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Im not reading too much into the fact that every single tweet on a disaster mentions himself right? that isnt normal?

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What the fuck is he on about wrt 8 Democrats controlling the Senate? He's mentioned it before too. It's almost like he doesn't understand how it works....
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Oh just wants them to agree to go nuclear on the filibuster because he never has to worry about what happens when the Dems get 51 under a Dem president.
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Classy move pardoning a law breaking racist on the eve of a national disaster. Maybe no-one will notice Mueller just subpoenaed Manaforts employees during the outrage.
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Classy move pardoning a law breaking racist on the eve of a national disaster. Maybe no-one will notice Mueller just subpoenaed Manaforts employees during the outrage.
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