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Old 01-Jun-2004, 12:28   #1
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US to re-start the Draft?

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There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, link entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.
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As has been pointed out in discussion about this elsewhere, the Reserves and National Guard have been stretched beyond their limits ever since Sept.11th, and the use of Private Contractors is about 1:1 with Regular Army in Iraq at present.
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It`s really only the same as national service in somewhere like Norway.

I don`t see much harm in it as that.

Do you think it means more than just a national service?
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I don't see any "sinister" overtones to it; however it is something that will be deeply unpopular within the USA.

I wouldn't compare being Drafted to National Service, as generally National Service happens in peace-time and means everyone marches round in squares for 6-24 months - Drafts only occur during wartime, and essentially produces Cannon-Fodder.
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Yea I sometimes wish we had to do national service in this country, it would certainly help me get off my lazy arse get fit and get disciplined I think.
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As early as 1995, some in the Peak Oil community were predicting that:

1. Within a few years of oil production hitting a plateau, the US would be engaged in a worldwide war. This war would be focused primarily on Muslim, oil producing nations.

2. Gas prices would hit record highs by summer 2004. This would become a major issue in the 2004 Presidential election.

3. OPEC would cut its production around the same time to hide the fact their oil fields would be in permanent decline.

4. The US would begin passing fascist-style legislation in preparation for the American population's response to the coming oil shocks.

5. The draft would be reinstated to provide soldiers for oil wars.
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Well seeing as reintroducing the draft would be necessary for a worldwide war, it's not suprising that it's included in those doomsday predictions.
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Haha I can't wait to see them trying to round up the lardy bunch of wasters that make up the majority of the countries youth.

I give it three situps and a raised voice from the induction officer before half the room is on the phone to their lawyers.
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It`s really only the same as national service in somewhere like Norway.

I don`t see much harm in it as that.

Do you think it means more than just a national service?
Yes, without a doubt. National Service in the likes of Norway and Switzerland are entirely for self-defence. Let's not forget that these countries were in serious danger of being occupied less than 60 years ago. The issue of "homeland security" when these laws and practices were put in effect were all too real. You learn to get fit, you learn a bit about fighting and how to maintain/repair equipment. This is in case you're put in a position where you need to defend your country. In Switzerland you get spot checks at home - if your rifle is not clean and serviceable you get fined. They could mobilise 80% of the adult male population within 24 hours.

Regardless of what it looks like on paper - surely noone has the stones to tell me that the US has the same defensive aims. They need more soldiers, more territory and more control over the rest of the world in order to maintain the ample supplies that keep their country happy and fed. Oil, plastic, semiconductors. They don't care how many locals get it in the neck or how many of their own boys and girls get shot. As long as the electorate remain unfazed and unvocal then tally ho.
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it seems a little excessive just so they can drive around in 6 litre cars for the next 20 years
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but really, do you honestly think that rounding up the unproductive youth in the USA and sending them of to war will really be a vote loser to the working american?

Hell I'd vote for it in this country
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it seems a little excessive just so they can drive around in 6 litre cars for the next 20 years
Doubt you'd say that if you had a 20% stake in Exxon.
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Well where will they use them?
Where`s the next target?

What do you think they will do now, with this draft?


Maybe they just think it`d help cut down on obesity and TV culture and start pulling the country back to its roots in terms of country-loving, gun-toting, big-headed, megalomania indoctrination?
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Well I can see the ongoing and escalating unrest in the Middle East causing grave security concerns in Syria, Kuwait, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Naturally the US'o'A will be perfectly placed to offer "peacekeeping" troops to these countries.
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Yeah, there is that. What excuses do they have though? Don`t you think the "WAR ON TERROR" has lost its momentum a bit?
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just a fair bit, i think even some of the slower americans are starting to stop believing the war on terror.
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Nah. They are stretched to breaking point as it is...
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Yeah, there is that. What excuses do they have though? Don`t you think the "WAR ON TERROR" has lost its momentum a bit?
Depends if you think there was EVER any quantifiable war on terror of if you're of the mind that it was a load of propaganda from the off. If the former then no, as the ongoing upsurge of violence shows. If the latter then still no, as it never owned any momentum outside of someones imagination on CNN and at the White House anyway.

Speaking of CNN - watch an hour or two. If that were my only news source (and I was a paranoid dumbfuck) then I'd never leave the house for fear of sixteen year old anthrax infected suicide bombers flying planes full of sarin at my face.
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Naturally the US'o'A will be perfectly placed to offer "peacekeeping" troops to these countries.
Nah. They are stretched to breaking point as it is...
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Even the Sunday Times was forecasting the fall of the Saudi Royal Family within a couple of years at the weekend, sounds like a perfectly good reason to insert a peacekeeping force.
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Inertiaman, lots of Americans back this War On Terror after 11/9. It had LOTS of momentum.

I really don`t see what Bush can do now. Where will he invade next and for what reason?
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When you get down to it, it's sheer competion for resources now, and the major powers are really wanting to position themselves appropriately, to ensure access to the raw materials they will need in the years to come, and they are willing to pay a high price for that access.

China alone has an insane rate of economic growth right now, primarily fuelled by a first-world infrastructure in the major centres, underpinned by a Labour Force that only earns third-world wages.

That kind of growth requires massive amounts of raw materials.

Regarding the Draft thing, it's not unreasonable to imagine a situation where, depending on Political inclination/Military circumstances, Conscription could reappear on the UK agenda too..
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Right. Well. *mutter*.

Anyway, the slightly sensationalist website from moron is... well, almost tabloid in its style, but it has some convincing arguments.
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Rumour has it, that the last letter of your NI number indicates which draft you're in.

Is that true, because mine is A :{
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Right. Well. *mutter*.

Anyway, the slightly sensationalist website from moron is... well, almost tabloid in its style, but it has some convincing arguments.
I know, I felt so dirty posting it and felt I had to preface it with some kind of warning :)
Though as you say, it is convincing in places. Peak Oil has been on my mind for a while now :(
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Inertiaman, lots of Americans back this War On Terror after 11/9. It had LOTS of momentum.

I really don`t see what Bush can do now. Where will he invade next and for what reason?
Yeah but my point was which type of momentum were you talking about and which did you consider to be on the wane. From the top down the drums are still being beaten savagely - as regards the voting US public (all 40% of them or however little it's predicted to be next time) I'm still not sure. It's hard to tell amongst all the bs what opinions are actually winning out. If you're using the last presidential oppoll as a guide (Bush or Kelly equating to for/against) then it's 50/50. There's nothing between the two camps. Assuming that the last few months trend continues then I guess Bush will lose ground. Remains to be seen weather those polls convert accurately to votes.
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