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Old 09-Aug-2018, 13:25   #931
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I’ve not, but who doesn’t want to read another hot take that liberal progressives are to blame for white racists fucks being white racist fucks?
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Yeah I miss the days before reddit when we didn't have any racist fucks.
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Boris broke the rules. And I'm not talking about Rule #453: No Twats.
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I don't usually dip my toe into CA because I'm clueless, but, as it appears to my fairly stupid first glance, is the Corbyn-at-Munich-terrorists-memorial a bit dodge? Or have I been suckered in by the Guardian parroting the Mail?
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It’s a bit dodge.
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Irreconcilable positions. It's entirely dodge from the perspective of being aghast at attacks on athletes in a hotel which I'm sure we all are. It's likely a breath of welcome fresh air if you're used to only seeing UK politicians stood next to freshly signed arms buyers who will be using said arms on you and your families in the very near future.
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It's dodgy and he must have known it was, given his reaction.
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What an utter shitshow from G4S. Inspector was on the radio saying he had to leave a wing without inspecting it because the dense drug fumes were getting them all fucked.
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To go back to the Corbyn thing, why was it dodgy? Seemed like Netanyahu was talking bollocks. The Munich terrorists were buried in a different country and the wreath laying was for a completely different event.
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Atef Bseiso, Salah Khalaf, Hayel Abdel-Hamid and Fakhri al Omar are buried in the cemetery and it takes a Corbynite level of devotion to believe the two sets of photos were taken at the same graves.
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When he turns up there with 200 cut price storm shadow missiles instead of a floral wreath I'll give a shit.
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Well at least we’ve gone from “he didn’t do it” to “it doesn’t matter that he did it”.
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I was never personally at either, and continue to give not two hoots for Corbyn or whatever the arse Labour is these days. That being said, I'm not biting down hard on this tailored and timed piece of symbolic outrage until we've dealt with several thousand more pressing issues as a state or at least been informed which lacklustre turd is at the helm of trying to.
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The outrage might be manufactured by the press, but significant portions of the Jewish community, including Labour Party MPs and members, remain deeply concerned about antisemitism in the Labour Party (of which the laying of wreaths is but one aspect) and brushing that under the carpet won't make it go away.
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I dunno, that's exactly what this story has done for the lack of religious tolerance evident in the ex Foreign Secretary.
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Boris is a total embarassment, but on the topic of manufactured outrages I suspect there were rather less claims of religious intolerance against this and I doubt anyone paid much attention to Paul Merton, Stephen Fry or Ian Hislop.

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No but then noone elected any of those people.

Look, I'm not trying to diffuse the obvious glee about proving Corbyn isn't Jesus (lord knows why it was ever a debate other than as a timewaster on twitter) but there still seems something fundamentally imbalanced about limiting concern about anti-semitism to a single political party. Antisemitism and various other intolerances are so clearly rife across the house still and appear to be further normalised by the day. The fact that the tories are allowed to use this as a cudgel without being mocked right out of town for their rank hypocrisy highlights the success of their marketing arm rather than Corbyn's personal and frankly entirely justifiable disdain for Israel.
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Yeah, it's fine that we might agree (and I probably do) that elected officials shouldn't make jokes at the expense of religious faiths, but I struggle to take seriously "Boris is guilty of racism" when no one gave a shit when it was comedians making those jokes. It's not a million miles off the aforementioned obvious glee.

As for the limiting antisemitism to one party, there are a sizeable number of influential Jewish groups who have identified antisemitism in Labour as a problem and I think it merits taking them seriously. I don't think a response of "But what about the Tories?" is any more acceptable than a response to wider Tory party Islamaphobia of "But what about Labour?".
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Note that I didn't say racism. But with you on the equivalence - my giving a shit is merely limited to the cynical "Boris has fucked up quick lets release some election dirt early" angle. Israel and the wider Jewish diaspora are more than capable of representing themselves without my assistance at this point in time.
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Oh totally, was an observation on some broader comments (including from MPs), and I wasn't intending to imply they were made by you.
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Just to ruin the accord here, Israeli Expansionists are totally shielding their bullshit behind this sort of thing. I think that bothers me as well.
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As for the limiting antisemitism to one party, there are a sizeable number of influential Jewish groups who have identified antisemitism in Labour as a problem and I think it merits taking them seriously. I don't think a response of "But what about the Tories?" is any more acceptable than a response to wider Tory party Islamaphobia of "But what about Labour?".
There may be some anti-Semitic undertones within Labour, but I’m sure there are just as many within the Tory party (along wth every other ethnic group, I might add). The whataboutery gets no one anywhere here, both sides are inherently guilty for allowing prejudicial opinions to fester within their respective parties.

That said, it does feel that any criticism lamped at Israel is automatically met with cries of anti-semitism. It is not, nor should it ever be considered anti-Semitic to condemn their behaviour towards the Palestinians over the last few decades, or their attitude towards other countries in the ME as a whole.

Corbyn for all his faults is trying to convey that message, but his actions give platforms like the Daily Heil the ability to slander his reputation.
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To go back to the Corbyn thing, why was it dodgy? Seemed like Netanyahu was talking bollocks. The Munich terrorists were buried in a different country and the wreath laying was for a completely different event.
Fits the "Corbyn is the new Hitler" rhetoric that is behind this smearing campaign though dunnit?
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There may be some anti-Semitic undertones within Labour, but I’m sure there are just as many within the Tory party (along wth every other ethnic group, I might add). The whataboutery gets no one anywhere here, both sides are inherently guilty for allowing prejudicial opinions to fester within their respective parties.
“What about the Tories” should absolutely not be an excuse here. Your comment is exactly whataboutery.

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And it feels like a common response to accusations of antisemitism is “they want to shut down criticism of Israel”.

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I don’t think he’s trying to convey any message. There’s a distinct a sense of message, other than a bit of eye rolling and hoping this is going to go away so he can spend more time ignoring Brexit.
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It’s a shame you think that. Antisemitism is real and it would benefit the Labour Party to take it seriously.
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Just to ruin the accord here, Israeli Expansionists are totally shielding their bullshit behind this sort of thing. I think that bothers me as well.
Maybe, even probably. Antisemitism in the Labour Party is still real.
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