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Old 07-Apr-2004, 16:52   #1
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RAM A DAM DAM...

Ok i want to buy another stick of 512 ram.
Now heres the problem other than take the side off remove the present stick and take it to the shop is there any other way of finding out which type i need,
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 17:14   #2
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If it has two grooves in it, it is SDRAM.

If it has one groove in it, it is DDR-RAM.

As for speed, you can check this via your Front Side Bus - if you know what that is, match it up from there - unless you have oc'd your system ?
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Its 512MB DDR that much i know as for the speed is that the only other thing i need to find out?
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Speed will probably be written on it somewhere, it is on mine.
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Its 512MB DDR that much i know as for the speed is that the only other thing i need to find out?
Three ways I can think of to find this out:

1) Check in your BIOS to see what speed your FSB has been set to.

2) Tell us what your processor is, and we can work it out from there - certain processors will only go up to a certain FSB

3) Try this: http://www.pcformat.co.uk/downloads/...bsectionid=457

And yes, that is the only other thing you need to find out.
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SiSoft Sandra or Aida32 will tell you exactly what RAM you have too, and also tell you specifics like CAS and such if you need that level of detail
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ok i downloaded that tool nice one btw and the ram specs are this is this wot i need to ask for.
Samsung DDR-SDRAM PC2100 - 512 MB
Oh and thanx for all your help guys <--- me before
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Yeah, PC2100 is the stuff I've got in here at the moment... want to upgrade that once I've got some cash tho
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Right thats sorted, now the big question is price any ideas ?
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512Mb DDR (PC2100)
Online Price 66.82

http://www.cclcomputers.biz/acatalog/ram_ddr.htm

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WOW that much :/
Will i notice much of a performence improvement?
And would it be cheaper to go to pc world or somewhere?
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PC World - not gonna be cheaper methinks.

Performance Improvement - should be one there yeah.

Cost - Cheaper than what I'm looking at getting when I upgrade
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Try these instead:

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...l?RAM-21%2f51S
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Well i got it and installed it thanx for all your help ended up paying 56.99 from pc world
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using that pcformat gadget then (nifty) i got 512 ddr and in me memory option, i got me timings fequency at 167.5mhz. got a p4 2.4 in. wats me ram type then?? how do ya calculate it??
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Like GroovYF said above, SiSoft Sandra gives you some information about your RAM such as its timings.

Also, it's full of other information modules, and a fair few benchmarks too.

www.sisoftware.co.uk
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yea, read that bit. tried using that before and its still on ere, however, with the risk of sounding like i complete muppet, i dunno how to use sanda to get the data i'm after. so much on there and mostly all to techi with the little understanding of computers i have
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Information Modules > Mainboard Information.

Scroll down to Memory Module(s) and you'll get info like this:

Memory Module 1 64MX64U-33B 02112425 512MB 16x(32Mx DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)

I quote from Sandra 2002 Professional...

PC1600+ DDR SDRAM Micron/Samsung/Hyundai Specification - Version 1.0:

PCxm-aabc-dde (e.g. PC1600R-2533-750)
x - Memory bandwidth (MB/s). Memory bus speed should be 1/16 or lower.

m - Module Type (R = Registered, U = Unbuffered, B = Buffered).
aa - CAS latency (CL cycles). Lower the better (faster), but more expensive.
b - RAS to CAS delay (tRCD cycles). Lower the better.
c - Row precharge (tRP cycles). Lower the better.
dd - Read data access time (tAC ns). 54 corresponds to 5.4ns. Lower the better.
e - SPD chip revision. 0 corresponds to SPD 1.0.


My RAM is therefore rated as follows:

CAS = 2.5 cycles
tRCD = 3 cycles
tRP = 3 cyucles
tAC = 70 (7ns)
SPD revision 0
Unbuffered RAM

It's best to have the figures as low as possible. Check your RAM using the above guide; hell, even post the readout here if you need some guidance (and some clue about how fast your RAM is). It'll show you how fast your RAM is, and possibly if it's holding your PC back.

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Comments: thats wot i got
there was shit loads more but i'd take the whole forum up wiv it!! lol. hope ya can do summert 4 us wiv all that. can see the pc2700 now, but dunno if i can do owt to better the system just with a few bios changes or summert (over me edd i little but ya gotta learn me thinks) perhaps you've a few ideas

ta in advance anyways.

btw. is it worth binnin the 2700 and getting some 3200 or 3500, or will the board not support it??
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< System >
Host Name: TIGERNUT
User: *****
Domain: TIGERNUT

< Processor >
Model: 1x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Speed: 2.41GHz
Performance Rating: PR2653 (estimated)
Type: Standard
L2 On-board Cache: 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64
byte line size)

< Mainboard >
Bus(es): AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
MP Support: 2 CPU(s)
MP APIC: Yes
System BIOS: Award Software International, Inc. F4
Mainboard: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. 8IPE1000P
Total Memory: 511MB

< Chipset 1 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM
Controller / Host-Hub Interface
Front Side Bus Speed: 4x 134MHz (536MHz data rate)
Memory Bus Speed: 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)

< Video System >
Monitor/Panel: Plug and Play Monitor
Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
Imaging Device: UMAX Astra 2200(USB)

< Physical Storage Devices >
Removable Drive: Floppy disk drive
Hard Disk: Maxtor 6Y080L0
CD-ROM/DVD: ATAPI DVD-ROM 16XMax
CD-ROM/DVD: HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8525B
CD-ROM/DVD: CD-ROM Drive
CD-ROM/DVD: AXV CD/DVD-ROM SCSI CdRom Device

< Logical Storage Devices >
1.44MB 3.5" (A: N/A
Hard disk (C: 73.3GB (44.7GB, 61% Free) (NTFS)
CD-ROM/DVD (D: N/A
CD-ROM/DVD (E: N/A
CD-ROM/DVD (F: N/A
CD-ROM/DVD (G: N/A

< Peripherals >
Serial/Parallel Port(s): 3 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host
Controller - 24D2
USB Controller/Hub: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host
Controller - 24D4
USB Controller/Hub: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host
Controller - 24D7
USB Controller/Hub: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host
Controller - 24DE
USB Controller/Hub: USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub: USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub: USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub: USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub: USB Root Hub
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394
Host Controller
Keyboard: Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/
2 Keyboard
Mouse: PS/2 Compatible Mouse

< MultiMedia Device(s) >
Device: MPU-401 Compatible MIDI Device
Device: Standard Game Port

< Communication Device(s) >
Device: Intel(R) 536EP Modem

< Printers and Faxes >
Model: HP DeskJet 660C
Model: EPSON Stylus C64 Series

< Operating System(s) >
Windows System: Microsoft Windows XP/2002 Home (Win32 x86)
5.01.2600 (Service Pack 1)

< Network Services >
Network Drivers Enabled: Yes
Adapter: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection

<<< Mainboard Information >>>
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< Mainboard >
Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
MP Support: 2 CPU(s)
MPS Version: 1.40
Model: 8IPE1000P

< System Memory Controller >
Location: Mainboard
Error Correction Capability: None
Number of Memory Slots: 4
Maximum Installable Memory: 4GB
Bank0/1 - A0: None None None None DIMM 512MB/64 @ 333Mt/s
Bank2/3 - A1: Empty
Bank4/5 - A2: Empty
Bank6/7 - A3: Empty

< Chipset 1 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM
Controller / Host-Hub Interface
Bus(es): AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed: 4x 134MHz (536MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory:4x 200MHz / 2x 200MHz
Width: 64-bit
SMP - MP Capability: No
IO Queue Depth: 12 request(s)

< Chipset 1 Hub Interface >
Type: Hub-Interface
Version: 1.50
Number of Ports: 3
Width: 8-bit
Full Duplex: Yes
Multiplier: 1/1x

< Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks >
Speed: 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
Multiplier: 5/4x
Width: 64-bit
Power Save Mode: No
Fixed Hole Present: No

< APIC 1 >
Version: 2.00
Multiplier: 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts: 24
IRQ Handler Engaged: Yes
Enhanced Support: No

< Memory Module(s) >
Memory Module 1: Kingston 01130C5D 512MB 16x(32Mx DDR-SDRAM
PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up
to 133MHz)

< Environment Monitor 1 >
Model: ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support: No

< Temperature Sensor(s) >
Board Temperature: 26.0C / 78.8F
CPU1 Temperature: 25.0C / 77.0F
CPU2 Temperature: 33.0C / 91.4F td

< Cooling Device(s) >
Auto Fan Speed Control: No
CPU1 Fan Speed: 2163rpm

< Voltage Sensor(s) >
CPU1 Voltage: 1.57V
CPU2 Voltage: 2.54V
+3.3V Voltage: 3.31V
+5V Voltage: 4.06V
+12V Voltage: 11.54V
-12V Voltage: -9.40V
-5V Voltage: -4.80V
Standby Voltage: 2.77V
Battery Voltage: 4.08V

< AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1 >
Version: 3.00
Speed: 8x
Multiplier: 1/2x
Fast-Writes Enabled: Yes
Isochronous Mode Enabled: No
Addressing Enabled: 32-bit
Aperture Size: 128MB

< PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1 >
Version: 2.20
Number of Bridges: 2
PCI Bus 0: PCI (1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2: PCI (1x PCIClk)

< LPC Hub Controller 1 >
Model: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC
Interface Bridge
ACPI Power Management Enabled: Yes
Random Number Generator Enable:No
Random Number Generator Suppor:Yes
Delayed Transaction Enabled: Yes

< USB Controller 1 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)
USB UHCI Controller #1
Version: 1.10
Interface: UHCI
Channels: 2
Speed: 48MHz
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No

< USB Controller 2 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)
USB UHCI Controller #2
Version: 1.10
Interface: UHCI
Channels: 2
Speed: 48MHz
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No

< USB Controller 3 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)
USB UHCI Controller #3
Version: 1.10
Interface: UHCI
Channels: 2
Speed: 48MHz
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No

< USB Controller 4 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)
USB UHCI Controller #4
Version: 1.10
Interface: UHCI
Channels: 2
Speed: 48MHz
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No

< USB Controller 5 >
Model: Giga-Byte Technology 82801EB/ER (ICH4/ICH5R)
USB EHCI Controller
Version: 2.00
Specification: 1.00
Interface: EHCI
Channels: 8
Companion Controllers: 4
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support: 64-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No

< FireWire/1394 Controller 1 >
Model: Texas Instruments (TI) TSB43AB23 1394a-2000
OHCI PHY/link-layer Controller
Version: 1.10
Interface: OHCI
Enhanced Support: Yes
Channels: 64
Speed: 400MHz

< System SMBus Controller 1 >
Model: Intel 801xx SMBus
Version: 0.02
Slave Device Enabled: Yes
Speed: 16kHz

< Expansion Slot(s) >
PCI: PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME Full-Length Used
PCI (1h): PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME Full-Length
Available (Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P,
82848P PCI-to-AGP Bridge)
PCI (2h): PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME Full-Length
Available
PCI (3h): PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME Full-Length
Available
PCI (4h): PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME Full-Length
Available
AGP (8h): AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Used (Nvidia Corp
GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP 8X [NV18.2])

< Port Connector >
PRIMARY IDE: None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE: None - ATA / None
FDD: 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1: Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9
pin male
COM2: Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9
pin male
LPT1: Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-
25 pin female
Keyboard: Keyboard - None / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse - Detected: Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB: USB - None / None
USB: USB - None / None

< Performance Tips >
Tip 2532: Consider adding more CPUs for better
utilisation.
Notice 224: SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2511: Some memory slots are free so the memory can
be easily upgraded.
Warning 2545: Large memory modules should be Registered/
Buffered.
Tip 2546: Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.

<<< CPU & BIOS Information >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

<< Processor 1 >>
< Processor >
Model: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Speed: 2.41GHz
Performance Rating: PR2652 (estimated)
Type: Standard
Package: FC PGA478
Rated Speed/FSB: 2400MHz / 4x 133MHz
Multiplier: 18/1x
Minimum/Maximum Multiplier: 0/1x / 18/1x
Generation: G7
Name: P4N (Northwood) Pentium 4 1.6-3.4GHz 1.5-1.6V
Revision/Stepping: 2 / 9 (9)
Stepping Mask: D1
Microcode: MU0F2911
Core Voltage Rating: 1.550V
Maximum Physical / Virtual Add:36-bit / 32-bit

< Co-Processor (FPU) >
Type: Built-in
Revision/Stepping: 2 / 9 (9)

< Processor Cache(s) >
Internal Data Cache: 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru (4-way sectored,
64 byte line size)
Internal Trace Cache: 12kB Synchronous Write-Thru (8-way, 64 byte
line size)
L2 On-board Cache: 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64
byte line size)
L2 Cache Multiplier: 1/1x (2411MHz)

< Upgradeability >
Socket/Slot: Socket 478
Upgrade Interface: ZIF Socket
Supported Speed(s): 3.60GHz+

< Environment Monitor 1 >
Model: ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support: No

< Power Rating(s) >
CPU Core Power: 67W (estimated)

< Sensors >
CPU1 Temperature: 25.0C / 77.0F
Auto Fan Speed Control: No
CPU1 Fan Speed: 2136rpm
CPU1 Voltage: 1.57V

< Features >
FPU - Co-Processor Built-in: Yes
VME - Virtual Mode Extensions: Yes
DE - Debugging Extension: Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension: Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter: Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers:Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extensi:Yes
MCE - Machine Check Exception: Yes
CX8 - Compare & Exchange Instr:Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in: Yes
SEP - Fast System Call: Yes
MTRR - Memory Type Range Regis:Yes
PGE - Page Global Enable: Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architectu:Yes
PAT - Page Attribute Table: Yes
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Exten:Yes
PSN - Unique Serial Number: No
CLF - Cache Line Flush Support:Yes
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store: Yes
ACPI - Software Clock Control: Yes
MMX Technology: Yes
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Resto:Yes
SSE Technology: Yes
SSE2 Technology: Yes
SS - Self Snoop: Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technolo:No
TM - Thermal Monitor: Yes
SBF - Signal Break on FERR: Yes
SSE3 Technology: No
MON - Monitor/MWait: No
DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug St:No
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2: No
EST - Enhanced SpeedStep Techn:No
CID - Context ID: Yes
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero: Yes

< Advanced Settings >
Data Error Checking: No
Fast Strings: Yes
x86 FPU Compatibility Mode: No
Prefetch Queue: Yes
Branch Trace Storage: Yes
Data Cache Active Mode: Yes
IO Queue Depth: 12 request(s)
Thermal Monitor Enabled: Yes

< MP Settings >
Maximum Supported Configuratio:2-way
Bootstrap CPU: Yes
Global APIC Engaged: Yes
APIC ID: 0
APIC Cluster ID: 0
Arbitration ID: 0

< Machine Check Architecture Settings >
Number of Reporting Banks: 4 bank(s)
Extended Machine Check Support:Yes
Number of Extended Reporting B:12 bank(s)

< Variable Range MTRR Settings >
MTRR 0: 00000000-1FFFFFFF (0MB-512MB) WB
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was there a real need to post all of that ?
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Essentially, TIGERNUT, your RAM is the same as mine. It's 333MHz DDR, and pretty standard stuff really.

If you get better RAM, remember that if you couple it with the current lot, it has to run at the same speed. Also, be careful, some newer RAM has a CAS rating of 3. Try and get something that is CAS 2.5 or lower. It may cost a little more, but it'll be faster.
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ok syn, ta for that. will ave a better idea wot im lookin 4 now.

not exactly ideal i know burr, but then i've listened to some of that shite ya call music so i'd quit whilst ya ahead !!! hehe
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