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Old 12-Aug-2005, 13:44   #1
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Civil War in Iraq?

Cracking interview with John Reid - Secretary of State for Defence on Today this morning. Available as podcast here.

Among the amusing bits where Reid tries to deny that the allies have killed anyone innocent in Iraq, there is the interesting point that if the presention of the constitution fails, Iraq could well face a civil war.



Oil is in the North and the South. Government is centralised in Baghdad. The obvious problem here is that the North/South divide is also representative of seperate cultural groups. Prince Hassan of Jordan was quoted as saying that "Civil War has started in Iraq". I'm inclined to agree, and find it totally disingenuous that Reid is still using the word "Terrorist" to define anyone who commits violent acts in Iraq.
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Old 12-Aug-2005, 13:47   #2
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What do the countrys names under the oil fields represent?
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Management. Via various companies though so a touch misleading. More maps here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...maps-admin.htm
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hehe US not unders any of the black pools .... and people wonder why we attacked (and why Russia and France said "oooh no !!")

Found it interesting that the Shia Clerics are branding Sunni Suicide Bombers (according to the BBC 2 series on suicide bombers the martyr is a Shia concept and not present in Sunni Muslims) animals.... I doubt very much they'll ever get on.

Can't see anyway round it other than 3 countries, Shia Iraq, Sunni Iraq and Lemon Kurd land (yeah the Turks are gonna love this !!)
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It should be just fine. Having mortal enemies living adjacent to each other is working so well elsewhere in the world.
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Is that map current ? And if not is there a similar one for post invasion?
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No no that's well old. Looks like 1992 given the rest of the site it's on. Can't seem to spot a new one.
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how/why did (after all the hand shaking and weapons selling) the US not get in on the Iraqi oil in the 1st place ? Or BP.... how did they miss it ?
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I doubt field ownership dictates precisely where the crude ends up. It's still an open market once the stuff is on the move.

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I doubt field ownership dictates precisely where the crude ends up. It's still an open market once the stuff is on the move.

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Given the lobbying power of US oil companys its still a valid point, as id assume they wouldnt mind a piece of the action
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They're getting it. let's not forget that US corps perform the VAST majority of locating, drilling, well management, processing, distribution and logistical tasks that surround extraction.
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They're getting it. let's not forget that US corps perform the VAST majority of locating, drilling, well management, processing, distribution and logistical tasks that surround extraction.
Fair enough not a huge expert on oil drilling , i thought the corporations of the respective countrys on the map would of done that
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They used to, Schlumberger for example was a Frog company when it started back in the 60s. Likewise many of the engineering companies were Nordic, Med, etc. Consolidation has put paid to that though.
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