LAN over Power Adapters

Solex · 31-Jan-2010, 23:16

I'm gunna go the LAN over power way for my new place, and I don't fancy speeding loads on it. My router is only capable of running 100mbps so I don't need to go as far as gigabit, but I don't want the new adapter to be a bottleneck either. So I've decided that going for the 200mbps powerline idea (as the lower one is 85mbps) which also gives me a bit of margin for upgradability when the routers catch up for my connection.

I've nailed it down to two for about the £50 mark, which I don't mind paying:

http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/548886...g/Product.html

or

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

Has anyone else recently bought one of this type of thing or one of the above? Any thoughts/feelings before I splash the cash as it were?

Cheers dudes

Deceased · 01-Feb-2010, 00:20

Yeah I tried that - worked ok.

Such a piece of piss to setup that I thought it was well, taking the piss to be honest.

Problem was I got those white "advent" feckers that PCworld sell (actually via Ebay) - avoid em. One of my units just died - overheated. From digging around on the net seems that it was an identified problem with some of them and PC World where ditching them - hence why shit loads started to appear on ebay. I've heard the devolo ones are really good - slighty more but seems they do the job.

Interestingly they all seem to say that you can't/shoudln't plug the adaptor into a plug board (4 way type thing etc) as it won't work - didn't seem to bother mine and other people on line reported the same. Dunno really.

Inertiaman · 01-Feb-2010, 01:15

Used the wired and wireless ones, both flawless.

Mr_Skiff · 01-Feb-2010, 08:26

I configured a pair of Devolo's on a farm about 2 years ago and they worked a treat, just make sure you plug it into the right power loop if your house has more than one (The Farm had 2)

Old thread: http://www.trickery.net/vb/showthrea...ighlight=power

[n00b]Zippy · 01-Feb-2010, 08:31

Make sure you get ones with a pass-through socket on to avoid wasting your outlets.

Bilb · 01-Feb-2010, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by [n00b]Zippy

Make sure you get ones with a pass-through socket on to avoid wasting your outlets.

Good point. Ive had some success using them on powerstrips, BUT they prefer to be in main socket.

I've got six dotted around the house. Devolo Homeplug AV. They are ok with everything apart from streaming HD stuff.

Nomad · 01-Feb-2010, 12:43

you guys haven't had any problems with these with appliances being switched on/off around the house? I suppose with washing machines/hoovers etc... being energy efficient these days they are less of a concern, i just find the whole t'internet over ac still a weird concept especially with multiple network apps going on at the same time, streaming media from the nas, xbox online, pc surfing plus the kettle being used etc...

[n00b]Zippy · 01-Feb-2010, 12:47

No problems at all like that.

Deceased · 01-Feb-2010, 14:16

Yeah agreed - just plug em in and walk away - means you can pretty much t'internet every location in your house that you might want to.

DizMatt · 01-Feb-2010, 14:27

I use them a lot
great for a low profile connection but not ideal

I used the cheapy ones from PCworld...Advert...the lesser of the two speeds.
99% reliable. can stream movies across them but it takes some time to get going
browsing and gaming seems good, with no loss of latency but for my new place I will wire something in for the TV and use POL for upstairs only.

the netgear are probs better than mine and the setup was flawless and automatic.

sometimes though I turn them off and on again as intermittent problems need powerdown.
not sure why.
the faster ones are prehaps much better but i've only tried the cheap ones.
I keep them away from surge protectors too

p.s I use 3...one for the router, then one for them PC and one for the PC on the TV

Scrobbs · 01-Feb-2010, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Skiff

I configured a pair of Devolo's on a farm about 2 years ago and they worked a treat, just make sure you plug it into the right power loop if your house has more than one (The Farm had 2)

I presume you don't mean rings, but actual discreet sets of rings - i.e. two RCD boards?

Pellet · 01-Feb-2010, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilb

Good point. Ive had some success using them on powerstrips, BUT they prefer to be in main socket.

I've got six dotted around the house. Devolo Homeplug AV. They are ok with everything apart from streaming HD stuff.

i've never had any grief streaming HD through those, would definitely recommend them.

Mr_Skiff · 01-Feb-2010, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrobbs

I presume you don't mean rings, but actual discreet sets of rings - i.e. two RCD boards?

I'm no electrician but this farm had two sets of power wiring installed, one set was not connected to the other so the Wireless signal would not work if both Devolo's were connected to different sets. I hope that makes sense

Scrobbs · 01-Feb-2010, 15:10

I think so. Two seperate locations from which power entered the building?

Bilb · 01-Feb-2010, 15:22

The power needs to be on the same "switchboard" ... I.e. from the same Power Meter on your wall. I think if you have two meters on your farm, then they need to remain on the same circuit.

Thinking of it differently, if they weren't on same metered circuit, then I could plug my devolo into my neighbours lounge and he could leach my stuff!

Solex · 01-Feb-2010, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pellet

i've never had any grief streaming HD through those, would definitely recommend them.

They're the big expensive ones are they not?

Scrobbs · 01-Feb-2010, 15:29

Aye, Bilb, that was I suspected trying to clarify - as I have many seperate circuits in my place now all protected with RCDs. This should be common in most houses though, so should be ok

[n00b]Zippy · 01-Feb-2010, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilb

The power needs to be on the same "switchboard" ... I.e. from the same Power Meter on your wall. I think if you have two meters on your farm, then they need to remain on the same circuit.

Thinking of it differently, if they weren't on same metered circuit, then I could plug my devolo into my neighbours lounge and he could leach my stuff!

All you need to do is strip the ends off a long cable, then put the bare wires into an outlet of one of the systems, and then put the other end's bare wires into an outlet on the other system. It's called "bridging", you'll find the term often used in networking.

HTH

Bilb · 01-Feb-2010, 16:58

BNAG !!!

[n00b]Zippy · 01-Feb-2010, 17:17

^^ That's bang out of order!

Dave · 01-Feb-2010, 17:22

Ive always fancied using these instead of having lan cables strewn about the house like we've got now, 2 pc's upstairs, xbox in the lads room, and ps3 downstairs.

How does it tell the difference between signals for each pc? or are they only meant to be for singular use?
Would they work for what i need them for? Hardwire the 2 pc's upstairs then lanplug the rest?

Srry for the thread hijack, just wondered

Solex · 01-Feb-2010, 17:26

They have their own ID like a MAC address afaik so you can have multiple pairs in one house.

Dave · 01-Feb-2010, 19:31

Ahh superb, will look into some of these then, spot on

Bilb · 02-Feb-2010, 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoleX

They have their own ID like a MAC address afaik so you can have multiple pairs in one house.

Nah ... not quite. They form a mesh network of sorts. Each adaptor is aware of the others and will simply route to the device that hosts the equipment you need.

For example in my garage I used to have three servers off a switch, with one LAN over AC adaptor, then in the office there was another network switch with PCs and laptops, in the hall at the main telecom socket was the router, in the lounge was the media center PC and the PS3 ... and in the bedroom was an Xbox.

If we wished to play a movie on the xbox in the bedroom it would connect to the LAN over AC adaptor in the bedroom, and then off to the adaptor in the garage where the servers are hosted.

The informer application shows each adaptor and it's available upstream/downstream rates.

Solex · 02-Feb-2010, 11:49

So essentially mini mesh routers. Even cleverer than I thought. Gunna deffo order some of these later methinks. Thanks all

[n00b]Zippy · 02-Feb-2010, 12:03

Can you mix brands?

GroovYF · 02-Feb-2010, 12:06

I believe it's advised against for compatibility reasons I think (rather like wireless-N)
Personally I'd stick with the same brand to be safe - bit of an arse should you want to expand with a more reliable adapter than current brand though I guess :/

venger · 02-Feb-2010, 13:08

I use this technology as well and have done for a couple of years.

I've got the Solwise 200Mbps adapters. No problems since purchase.

DizMatt · 12-Feb-2010, 18:19

so how's this gone?

tapped the plans for rj45 around the new house now
the old ones i have are too slow
usb speeds really
can they really get close to 200mbps?
decent lan speed for streaming is all i'm looking for really

Pellet · 12-Feb-2010, 18:56

i've no idea whether i get anywhere near 200mb, but i can stream hd across them just dandy

31-Jan-2010, 23:16	#1
Solex Debaser Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,249	LAN over Power Adapters I'm gunna go the LAN over power way for my new place, and I don't fancy speeding loads on it. My router is only capable of running 100mbps so I don't need to go as far as gigabit, but I don't want the new adapter to be a bottleneck either. So I've decided that going for the 200mbps powerline idea (as the lower one is 85mbps) which also gives me a bit of margin for upgradability when the routers catch up for my connection. I've nailed it down to two for about the £50 mark, which I don't mind paying: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/548886...g/Product.html or http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...A3P5ROKL5A1OLE Has anyone else recently bought one of this type of thing or one of the above? Any thoughts/feelings before I splash the cash as it were? Cheers dudes

01-Feb-2010, 00:20	#2
Deceased Fixer of dead hard drives Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Peeps Posts: 1,823	Yeah I tried that - worked ok. Such a piece of piss to setup that I thought it was well, taking the piss to be honest. Problem was I got those white "advent" feckers that PCworld sell (actually via Ebay) - avoid em. One of my units just died - overheated. From digging around on the net seems that it was an identified problem with some of them and PC World where ditching them - hence why shit loads started to appear on ebay. I've heard the devolo ones are really good - slighty more but seems they do the job. Interestingly they all seem to say that you can't/shoudln't plug the adaptor into a plug board (4 way type thing etc) as it won't work - didn't seem to bother mine and other people on line reported the same. Dunno really. __________________ I suppose though it stems back to the mentality/argument that playing FPS games makes people into raging loons that want to take an axe to someones head - therefore our "compassion and respect" for human life is being eroded. I think our "compassion and respect" for human life is a fucking world away from clicking a mouse button.

01-Feb-2010, 08:26	#4
Mr_Skiff Under The Thumb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,748	I configured a pair of Devolo's on a farm about 2 years ago and they worked a treat, just make sure you plug it into the right power loop if your house has more than one (The Farm had 2) Old thread: http://www.trickery.net/vb/showthrea...ighlight=power __________________ "If you are camping and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear, you only have to be faster than the slowest camper"

01-Feb-2010, 08:31	#5
[n00b]Zippy Unstartable Sex Machine Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Great Rollright Posts: 11,542	Make sure you get ones with a pass-through socket on to avoid wasting your outlets. __________________ I wish I were a glow worm A glow worm's never glum 'Cause how can you be grumpy When the sun shines out your bum?

01-Feb-2010, 12:47	#8
[n00b]Zippy Unstartable Sex Machine Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Great Rollright Posts: 11,542	No problems at all like that. __________________ I wish I were a glow worm A glow worm's never glum 'Cause how can you be grumpy When the sun shines out your bum?

01-Feb-2010, 01:15	#3
Inertiaman Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 31,550	Used the wired and wireless ones, both flawless.

01-Feb-2010, 12:43	#7
Nomad i fear no midget Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,654	you guys haven't had any problems with these with appliances being switched on/off around the house? I suppose with washing machines/hoovers etc... being energy efficient these days they are less of a concern, i just find the whole t'internet over ac still a weird concept especially with multiple network apps going on at the same time, streaming media from the nas, xbox online, pc surfing plus the kettle being used etc...

01-Feb-2010, 14:16	#9
Deceased Fixer of dead hard drives Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Peeps Posts: 1,823	Yeah agreed - just plug em in and walk away - means you can pretty much t'internet every location in your house that you might want to. __________________ I suppose though it stems back to the mentality/argument that playing FPS games makes people into raging loons that want to take an axe to someones head - therefore our "compassion and respect" for human life is being eroded. I think our "compassion and respect" for human life is a fucking world away from clicking a mouse button.

01-Feb-2010, 14:27	#10
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: just ootside Gatesheeed Posts: 8,650	I use them a lot great for a low profile connection but not ideal I used the cheapy ones from PCworld...Advert...the lesser of the two speeds. 99% reliable. can stream movies across them but it takes some time to get going browsing and gaming seems good, with no loss of latency but for my new place I will wire something in for the TV and use POL for upstairs only. the netgear are probs better than mine and the setup was flawless and automatic. sometimes though I turn them off and on again as intermittent problems need powerdown. not sure why. the faster ones are prehaps much better but i've only tried the cheap ones. I keep them away from surge protectors too p.s I use 3...one for the router, then one for them PC and one for the PC on the TV __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

01-Feb-2010, 15:10	#14
Scrobbs Sunnyvale Supervisor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the pipe, five by five. Posts: 13,530	I think so. Two seperate locations from which power entered the building?

01-Feb-2010, 15:22	#15
Bilb Amazeballs! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Elite Elevated Equine Division Posts: 11,283	The power needs to be on the same "switchboard" ... I.e. from the same Power Meter on your wall. I think if you have two meters on your farm, then they need to remain on the same circuit. Thinking of it differently, if they weren't on same metered circuit, then I could plug my devolo into my neighbours lounge and he could leach my stuff! __________________ @TomJJarvis

01-Feb-2010, 15:29	#17
Scrobbs Sunnyvale Supervisor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the pipe, five by five. Posts: 13,530	Aye, Bilb, that was I suspected trying to clarify - as I have many seperate circuits in my place now all protected with RCDs. This should be common in most houses though, so should be ok

01-Feb-2010, 16:58	#19
Bilb Amazeballs! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Elite Elevated Equine Division Posts: 11,283	BNAG !!! __________________ @TomJJarvis

01-Feb-2010, 17:17	#20
[n00b]Zippy Unstartable Sex Machine Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Great Rollright Posts: 11,542	^^ That's bang out of order! __________________ I wish I were a glow worm A glow worm's never glum 'Cause how can you be grumpy When the sun shines out your bum?

01-Feb-2010, 17:22	#21
Dave To curve or not to curve? Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Behind the Curve Posts: 4,579	Ive always fancied using these instead of having lan cables strewn about the house like we've got now, 2 pc's upstairs, xbox in the lads room, and ps3 downstairs. How does it tell the difference between signals for each pc? or are they only meant to be for singular use? Would they work for what i need them for? Hardwire the 2 pc's upstairs then lanplug the rest? Srry for the thread hijack, just wondered

01-Feb-2010, 17:26	#22
Solex Debaser Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,249	They have their own ID like a MAC address afaik so you can have multiple pairs in one house.

01-Feb-2010, 19:31	#23
Dave To curve or not to curve? Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Behind the Curve Posts: 4,579	Ahh superb, will look into some of these then, spot on

02-Feb-2010, 11:49	#25
Solex Debaser Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,249	So essentially mini mesh routers. Even cleverer than I thought. Gunna deffo order some of these later methinks. Thanks all

02-Feb-2010, 12:03	#26
[n00b]Zippy Unstartable Sex Machine Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Great Rollright Posts: 11,542	Can you mix brands? __________________ I wish I were a glow worm A glow worm's never glum 'Cause how can you be grumpy When the sun shines out your bum?

02-Feb-2010, 12:06	#27
GroovYF Octave Doctor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Halifax Posts: 22,280	I believe it's advised against for compatibility reasons I think (rather like wireless-N) Personally I'd stick with the same brand to be safe - bit of an arse should you want to expand with a more reliable adapter than current brand though I guess :/ __________________ photoblog

02-Feb-2010, 13:08	#28
venger will post for food Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,371	I use this technology as well and have done for a couple of years. I've got the Solwise 200Mbps adapters. No problems since purchase. __________________ It fits, the god damn thing fits! #RaG

12-Feb-2010, 18:19	#29
DizMatt PostPrandial Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: just ootside Gatesheeed Posts: 8,650	so how's this gone? tapped the plans for rj45 around the new house now the old ones i have are too slow usb speeds really can they really get close to 200mbps? decent lan speed for streaming is all i'm looking for really __________________ Photo Portfolio Bits 'n Pieces : General Random Gallery : All new photoblog : My Flickr ........................I read it on Wikipedia...so it must be true!........................

12-Feb-2010, 18:56	#30
Pellet He's using the trees Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,213	i've no idea whether i get anywhere near 200mb, but i can stream hd across them just dandy