Recovery from Olympic deployment "will take two years"

Eja Cool8 · 14-Aug-2012, 16:25

As if the forces weren't stretched enough..

http://www.defencemanagement.com/new...y.asp?id=20592

Inertiaman · 14-Aug-2012, 16:36

Word has it that G4S are persona non gratis on all new and renewed government business now. Crying shame.

Eja Cool8 · 14-Aug-2012, 16:38

Hardly surprising, making the Govt. look a tad foolish like that..

Scrobbs · 14-Aug-2012, 17:14

Not that they needed it of course.

Nomad · 14-Aug-2012, 18:44

they did donate £2.5m though to the armed forces, nice chaps. ok only a percent of their contracted £248m to provide security that they failed to meet but still...

at least they have some new police business to keep them going.... good to know the UK is in good hands

EvilGrin · 14-Aug-2012, 19:23

G4S have been cocking stuff up for years though? You'd think they'd learn...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G4S#Controversies

Orange · 14-Aug-2012, 19:35

On the plus side, perhaps this will discourage trips to the Middle East to dispatch the local tinpot dictator without the first clue as to what happens next.

Orange · 14-Aug-2012, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Inertiaman

Word has it that G4S are persona non gratis on all new and renewed government business now. Crying shame.

It'll never be made that explicit of course, but no-one's going to be hailed a hero for knocking 5% off a bill with the risk of looking like a complete fecking tool if they drop the ball again.

Ned · 14-Aug-2012, 22:23

I don't really understand why it will take 2 years to recover.

Badger Man · 14-Aug-2012, 22:25

Hotel bills for the RAF? London Hilton isn't cheap

Hot Soup · 14-Aug-2012, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Ned

I don't really understand why it will take 2 years to recover.

Ditto. Why will it take 2 years? Yes there was an extremely large number of troops deployed. They were deployed for what , 3 or 4 weeks. Now they aren't surely they go back into the normal rotation / whatever the proper term for the armed forces are and any TA's go back to normal?

2 years just sounds totally bizarre.

BBW · 15-Aug-2012, 00:28

It's a problem when ALL state funded bodies complain to EVERY government that they don't have enough (insert whatever they need in here)

Bilb · 15-Aug-2012, 11:25

Ok, can someone explain to me ... G4S were paid to provide a service, they didn't. How come they are being allowed to keep any of that money???

[n00b]Zippy · 15-Aug-2012, 11:36

They were probably staged payments that have already been made?

Inertiaman · 15-Aug-2012, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Bilb

Ok, can someone explain to me ... G4S were paid to provide a service, they didn't. How come they are being allowed to keep any of that money???

Welcome to the public sector engaging private suppliers.

Nomad · 15-Aug-2012, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Hot Soup

Ditto. Why will it take 2 years? Yes there was an extremely large number of troops deployed. They were deployed for what , 3 or 4 weeks. Now they aren't surely they go back into the normal rotation / whatever the proper term for the armed forces are and any TA's go back to normal?

2 years just sounds totally bizarre.

guess they used the regular army and not the fast reaction force. like you say though, 3-4 weeks set-up and 2yrs to recover, smacks of exaggeration. thank fuck the argies didn't invade, military geniuses they be not!

BBW · 15-Aug-2012, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Bilb

Ok, can someone explain to me ... G4S were paid to provide a service, they didn't. How come they are being allowed to keep any of that money???

They won't get paid for what they didn't deliver. They will only get paid for the personnel they supplied. Common sense surely?

Minty · 15-Aug-2012, 12:51

I think I remember reading that they had been paid the full amount and refused to reimburse the government for the shortfall in service. I may have just made that up though.

Inertiaman · 15-Aug-2012, 12:52

They don't get paid per person as such, they got paid a management fee which they claimed very early on to have earned despite the shortage.

BBW · 15-Aug-2012, 12:53

I'd be interested to see anything written about that. That doesn't make any sense!

Inertiaman · 15-Aug-2012, 12:56

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18866153

Bilb · 15-Aug-2012, 13:22

Ok, perhaps my comment was a little tongue in cheek. I agree that there are certain commercials for setting up the service etc. But of £248m for a service that wasn't delivered, and only a token gesture of £2.5m to the armed forces is taking the mickey a little!

Inertiaman · 15-Aug-2012, 13:32

For the sake of your own sanity don't look at the numbers on NPfIT.

Inertiaman · 15-Aug-2012, 14:20

But then you'd know more about where the money went than most eh Bilb?

[n00b]Zippy · 15-Aug-2012, 14:50

If there's going to be a shortfall of deployable troops as a result of this, perhaps the management team of G4S would like a tour of duty in Afghanistan to make up the numbers

Eja Cool8 · 15-Aug-2012, 15:33

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Originally Posted by [n00b]Zippy

If there's going to be a shortfall of deployable troops as a result of this, perhaps the management team of G4S would like a tour of duty in Afghanistan to make up the numbers

"Err Mike, can you do a few shifts at another site next week? There's overtime with it, it's all on this sheet mate."

"No probs.....hang on...Kandahar?????"

Bilb · 15-Aug-2012, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inertiaman

For the sake of your own sanity don't look at the numbers on NPfIT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inertiaman

But then you'd know more about where the money went than most eh Bilb?

I can neither confirm nor deny that rumour your honour!!

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Bilb Amazeballs! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Elite Elevated Equine Division Posts: 11,283	Ok, perhaps my comment was a little tongue in cheek. I agree that there are certain commercials for setting up the service etc. But of £248m for a service that wasn't delivered, and only a token gesture of £2.5m to the armed forces is taking the mickey a little! __________________ @TomJJarvis

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